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Post by wewbwb on Sept 3, 2016 4:41:46 GMT -5
Hi all. I found this site while googling about my situation (sexless marriage). I am looking forward to learning my way around but for now it's comforting to know that I am not alone. Sadly, you are not alone. Welcome to the club no one wants to be in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 21:22:49 GMT -5
Hi I'm Danny male, late 50's. My marriage has been sexless almost from the beginning 15 years ago. We managed with great difficulty to have a couple of kids with the help of a fertility clinic.
I started dating at around 15 years old but always had trouble sexually once any given relationship became emotionally intimate. Things would always start out fine but then after three or four sexual encounters with the same woman I would lose my ability to perform and also all desire & feelings I had for the person.
I dated for 25 years before I got married and always thought I was simply easily bored sexually so when the sexual dysfunctions would start with a partner I would simply break off the relationship and move on to another woman. It wasn't until I met my wife when I was 40 years old that I felt I wanted to be part of a family. The serial dating had lost it's allure and I was emotionally lonely despite having lots of sex with different women. I suffered the same problem with my wife before we married but she thought it was something that could be fixed in therapy. Needless to say after the wedding we spent years going from therapist to therapist without having any luck. She finally gave up in frustration (after enduring countless, horrible Sex Therapy "Homework Exercises") and we stopped going and haven't had sex since.
So I don't know if I am a Refuser or not. I wish I could have a normal sexual marriage but I have no sexual feelings for my wife and cannot get aroused with her although I do have a good sex drive. And she is not interested in me forcing myself to try and have sex without an erection or the ability to have an orgasm. We get along great, own a business together and are a great parenting team. But we are both sexually lonely with the only relief coming from masturbating alone. I suggested after the therapy failed that we have an open marriage but she is sexually conservative and refused.
I would feel badly having affairs behind her back without her knowing because she has stuck with me despite there being no sex. The irony of my life is I gave up sex to get married. I love being in a family but I do miss the sexually free days when I was single and able to have the kind of sex life where I could feel comfortable and could perform sexually. Sadly, marriage and that kind of sexual preference are incompatible. It has to be one or the other.
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Post by baza on Sept 5, 2016 0:00:07 GMT -5
Presumably, what you would like is a marriage, kids and all the trimmings etc, but with no emotional investment by you, and no intimacy input from you toward your spouse. - What your missus wants is not disclosed in your story, but presumably, it ain't a match with what you want. - Nominally, your position would indeed come under the heading of being a refuser (wanting only the aspects of the union that suit you and being a non participant in the aspects you don't like) and your problem is likely to come from your missus who might decide that the deal is not meeting her idea of a functional marriage. She may at some point, choose to end the deal. And perhaps, strike out on her own to seek a relationship that meets ALL her needs. - For that matter, you might do the same thing. You, might end this deal, and seek out a relationship that fits ALL your needs. - Meantime, onward this deal will go, with neither of you getting what you want out of it. - Theoretically, if your missus eyeballed you and expressed a wish to end this, and divorce, what would your attitude be ? Would you be aghast at that prospect and resist it at all costs to preserve what already is in place ? Might you perhaps be receptive to the concept of you BOTH being freed up to pursue your individual aspirations ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:01:32 GMT -5
dannyc, thank you for being brave enough to open up here. I realize it can be pretty daunting for a person who happens to be the one who wants less sex, to open up in this group. We are mostly partners who would like more sex, and we can be tough on refusers. I think you have done a good job of thinking through the history of your love life and sex life, and trying to see what you, yourself, are bringing to the table. I hope that you can find some level of help here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 1:35:55 GMT -5
I want sex, just not with my wife or any woman who I am in a close relationship with. And this is because I simply can't function sexually in that kind of situation. With my wife, as with countless others in the beginning the mind was willing but the body simply would not cooperate and after trying over and over the mind was no longer willing either because of the shame and frustration. If past experience is any indicator I could go out tomorrow and have a one night stand or pay for sex and I'd function just fine. It seemed every therapist had a different theory as to the cause but the only one that made sense was a subconscious fear of emotional intimacy which causes a massive stress reaction that shuts me down sexually at a certain point soon after a relationship starts. The sad thing is that the more I liked and cared for the woman the faster I would start to suffer the sexual dysfunctions. As I said I desperately want sex, dream about having it almost every day but if I want to stay married I don't dare seek it outside the marriage. Anyway thanks for the kind words this seems like a good place to talk about these things as I never talk about it with anyone since I stopped going to therapy ten years ago.
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Post by eternaloptimism on Sept 6, 2016 2:14:21 GMT -5
I want sex, just not with my wife or any woman who I am in a close relationship with. And this is because I simply can't function sexually in that kind of situation. With my wife, as with countless others in the beginning the mind was willing but the body simply would not cooperate and after trying over and over the mind was no longer willing either because of the shame and frustration. If past experience is any indicator I could go out tomorrow and have a one night stand or pay for sex and I'd function just fine. It seemed every therapist had a different theory as to the cause but the only one that made sense was a subconscious fear of emotional intimacy which causes a massive stress reaction that shuts me down sexually at a certain point soon after a relationship starts. The sad thing is that the more I liked and cared for the woman the faster I would start to suffer the sexual dysfunctions. As I said I desperately want sex, dream about having it almost every day but if I want to stay married I don't dare seek it outside the marriage. Anyway thanks for the kind words this seems like a good place to talk about these things as I never talk about it with anyone since I stopped going to therapy ten years ago. [ Hi Danny  Welcome! This is certainly quite a situation you find yourself in! I've not come across one like this before. I wonder did the better therapist ever dig enough with you to come up with any potential reasons for your not coping well with emotional intimacy? Sending you love xx
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Post by baza on Sept 6, 2016 3:36:45 GMT -5
In your own words Brother Danny, you suffer from a sexual dysfunction. It has been that way for years apparently, predating your marriage even. Presumably you married on the basis of hope that it would get better, and it has not done so. - You don't appear to have been under any treatment for it for at least 10 years, and the unpalatable fact may be that it is untreatable anyway. - What would you have to lose by having a very frank discussion with your missus (who really has worn a lot of collateral damage out of all this) and offering her an "out" ? An honourable ending of the situation with goodwill on both your parts preserving your parental involvements with each other (and kids) and a respectful ongoing relationship as two individual adults ? But separate adults. - If she went for it, you'd be free to pursue unemotional sex, you'd still have an appropriate relationship with your (ex) missus, you'd still be an engaged parent. - Of course, it is possible that she might think ending things was an awful idea, in which case you'd be back at square #1 but you would, at the very minimum, have done the honourable thing and given her an option. Maybe not a great option, but in these ILIASM situations, there are no "great" options. Invariably the options are between one pretty unpalatable choice, and one really unpalatable choice. It seems to always come down to which is the "least worst". - Big and difficult choices ahead of you Brother Danny. I wish you clarity to help you make them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 12:51:29 GMT -5
She knew from day one and especially after 5 years of therapy failed that she was free to go or we could have an open marriage. She refused to take advantage of both those offers. You are correct in that if she HAD taken me up on the open marriage idea we both could have found ongoing sexual satisfaction but it wasn't to be. She also warned that should I cheat she would boot me out and take the kids and the house. But the reason I haven't strayed in all these many years is more in appreciation of her staying on than any threats.
We have been married for over 20 years and are both nearly 60 years old. I doubt anything is going to change. The choice you speak of was made two decades ago.
I am not here looking for advice just a chance to chat with people who are also leading sexless lives.
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Post by bballgirl on Sept 6, 2016 13:23:26 GMT -5
She knew from day one and especially after 5 years of therapy failed that she was free to go or we could have an open marriage. She refused to take advantage of both those offers. You are correct in that if she HAD taken me up on the open marriage idea we both could have found ongoing sexual satisfaction but it wasn't to be. She also warned that should I cheat she would boot me out and take the kids and the house. But the reason I haven't strayed in all these many years is more in appreciation of her staying on than any threats. We have been married for over 20 years and are both nearly 60 years old. I doubt anything is going to change. The choice you speak of was made two decades ago. I am not here looking for advice just a chance to chat with people who are also leading sexless lives. At this stage of the game sounds like you should do what you would want to make your life happy. Since you just need sex with no connection, be discreet, keep it from your wife and satisfy yourself sexually. You may risk your wife finding out and taking half the assets but that's the risk you take. Life is about choices and sexuality is a very personal thing. Life is about choices and the choices we make provide rewards and consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 18:57:18 GMT -5
At my age there are not a lot of takers even if I was wanting to step out on my marriage. When I was young and single there was no problem in that department but who wants an old guy almost 60? Besides, I'm a terrible liar. I'd get caught for sure. I'm just happy I found this place and can talk to people who are also sexless and find out what they do to cope as I don't have anyone to talk to about this. I tried once, a few years ago with an old female friend over drinks. She listened to my story and when I was done she started laughing her head off and told me that I had a very vivid imagination to tell such a story just to get some "mercy sex" from her. Despite my swearing it was all true she still didn't believe it. Why I'm not sure as sexless marriages seem pretty common if you Google the term.
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Post by baza on Sept 6, 2016 23:18:32 GMT -5
Just out of interest, it would be a good idea to check out the validity of her claim that she would "boot me out and take the kids and the house". I think you will find that this is complete bullshit on her part and would NOT be legally enforcable. (unless you live in some really weird jurisdiction). - Not that it makes any material difference to your situation, but it is always wise to be aware of the facts. It would cost you a phone call and 5 minutes of your time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 7:08:52 GMT -5
Just out of interest, it would be a good idea to check out the validity of her claim that she would "boot me out and take the kids and the house". I think you will find that this is complete bullshit on her part and would NOT be legally enforcable. (unless you live in some really weird jurisdiction). - Not that it makes any material difference to your situation, but it is always wise to be aware of the facts. It would cost you a phone call and 5 minutes of your time. Again, just as in nyartgirl's story, refusers are bullshitters. Mine said she had proof I had not only been stepping out, but had been stepping out for the entire duration of the marriage ROFLMAO. I should have been so lucky. She told me this through a veeeeery scary letter from her divorce mill. But she didn't say what this proof was. I didn't even respond.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 11:17:42 GMT -5
I didn't understand why smartkat, in her post above said "thank you for being brave enough to open up here" because I didn't read many posts after I joined and just wrote out my own story. However after reading quite a lot of the posts here in the last few days I think I now understand why she said it. When I joined up here I thought there would be a mix of people- those who wanted sex but were not getting it and those who, for whatever reason lacked desire or felt uncomfortable having sex with their spouse. I joined because I just wanted to talk with others about going months or years without sex and how people cope. But instead I find this site is mostly people whose spouses are not having sex with them. So I guess smartkat thought I was brave because I am the only person on here who, despite a strong sex drive, doesn't not want to have sex with my spouse (because I suffer serious sexual dysfunctions with her)
Reading the posts I saw a couple of people who didn't want sex with their partners but it was because of interpersonal reasons, they don't get along very well. I didn't see any of the type of situation I thought would be the majority here- people who were no longer sexually attracted to their spouses. No posts by people who didn't want sex because they lacked attraction, were sexually bored, and nothing about sexual dysfunctions in men which I thought very odd because it is such a huge problem in marriages. Nothing from people like me. So I guess that's why I am considered "brave"
My marriage is fine other than the lack of sex. We did the therapy route and it failed but we decided to stay together anyway for kids and financial reasons. I was hoping to be able to talk with others in similar situations especially those who have worked things out by having open marriages or other ways of seeking sexual release that doesn't involve sex with the spouse.
This site seems more like a marriage counselling place where spouses don't like each other or don't get along. Despite the name of the group sex, or lack of it, seems to be looked at as simply a symptom of a generally bad marriage. I was expecting more people here saying "I love sex just not with my spouse"
One of the biggest psychological reasons people don't want sex in close relationships can be found in their childhood. The children of alcoholics (like me) especially if they were abusive, physical or sexual abuse, parents who were mentally ill or drug addicts all cause their children to suffer from Attachment Disorders which make interpersonal and sexual functioning difficult (especially for men) later in life. And it is pretty widespread which is why enternaloptimism's comment that she had never heard of my problem before struck me as quite bizarre. I can assure you there are millions of us out there. We go by the name ACOA "Adult Children of Alcoholics" and there are all sorts of websites dedicated to this problem. Now granted not all ACOA's suffer from sexual dysfunctions when they enter into an emotionally intimate relationship but the lack of trust and the anxiety these types of relationships cause is very common. Men more than women suffer from sexual dysfunctions in close relationships but not in "arm's length" relationships, one night stands, paid sex etc. And, as my own experience with many different therapists has shown, it is almost impossible to fix these problems. Women sometimes tend to be overly clingy trying to "attach" or, like men, they love sex without having to be involved in a relationship. The porn business is full of women like this.
A lack of sex is not the major topic on Attachment Disorder or ACOA websites because people also have a hard rime being in a relationship period which is not a problem I have. I needed to talk to people about sex which is why I came here.
This sexless marriage world is really different from what I thought it would be. I guess I thought it would be more about sex and less about interpersonal relationships but I guess that is because for me the two were always separated. Still it would be great to read more posts from people who suffer from sexual anxiety and sexual dysfunctions or those no longer sexually attracted or sexually bored rather than just the people who are married to them. I wonder why these people don't post here? Any idea?
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Post by eternaloptimism on Sept 10, 2016 11:39:31 GMT -5
Maybe they feel there are not enough posters here already with similar issue. Maybe you posting will get more of the people who will understand you to pluck up the courage to post too. Maybe you could ask for a new forum thread/page whatever it's called on here... Pick a title, you know your situation best. Best wishes and I hope your tribe will come  EO
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Post by warmways on Sept 10, 2016 12:26:27 GMT -5
Hi, I'm warmways, formerly bluegreenseascape and I googled sexless marriage back in 2006-ish and found the EP site. Dan started this site when EP disbanded, so I quickly jumped aboard. I'm trying to keep it together enough to continue my exit plan which is mostly in my head right now. Like others here I've tried every single thing I could think of including tons of therapy (I'm in therapy now) and lots of marriage realists - all to no avail. I'm so touch/love/sex/romance deprived and feel flattened down by the marriage to an avoidant dismissive that it's tough to keep going sometimes, let alone construct my exit plan but I feel like I'll get there. I know I waited too long and with every day it gets harder. I'm thankful for this site and sorry others are in similar boats and happy for the ones who had the courage to go to opposite land.
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