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Post by thebaffledking on Feb 1, 2017 16:39:49 GMT -5
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Post by nancyb on Feb 1, 2017 16:58:43 GMT -5
Marriage is more than the joining of two people either by mutual attraction or arrangement. Think of a Venn Diagram - interlocking circles. Each person represents one circle with everything that comes with them also in that circle. All your history is there, family, friends, enemies and whatever your history is - you bring them with you. Once the circles lock together they will always be locked together. Even with divorce the circles will always be connected in some way - children, pets, memories, or common friends will see to that. The circles may have less commonality, but they are still connected. Children, in-laws and all the others are their own circles - each connecting to others that you never dreamed existed. Even if you die you are still in someone's circle - still connected. Circles can be brought together by love or hate. Marriage is the deliberate joining with love and expectations both spoken and unspoken. When it is said you give love without expecting anything in return - I call bullshit. You want/need to be loved in return, it's part of your circle that overlaps you marriage partner's circle. You give your love by caring for the other people in your circle and some how, some way they give you something in return. Why else would you do it? Not all your expectations can be met by the other person; the question is what is the deal breaker? What part of your circles must overlap for you to stay? That's quite lovely. Did someone write that for you snowman2345 or are you still under the effects of hallucinogenics? 
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Post by flowerdust on Feb 1, 2017 17:37:11 GMT -5
Sham wow Your not a weird dude, it's just a really hard question for me anyway to answer, I have forgotten what love really is at this point and it will be something I will even have to sit down and ponder
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Post by shamwow on Feb 1, 2017 17:44:54 GMT -5
Sham wow Your not a weird dude, it's just a really hard question for me anyway to answer, I have forgotten what love really is at this point and it will be something I will even have to sit down and ponder I feel you. But I still may be weird
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Post by flowerdust on Feb 1, 2017 18:52:46 GMT -5
Sham wow Your not a weird dude, it's just a really hard question for me anyway to answer, I have forgotten what love really is at this point and it will be something I will even have to sit down and ponder I feel you. But I still may be weird Ok Your Weird ! lol
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Post by snowman12345 on Feb 1, 2017 19:21:35 GMT -5
Marriage is more than the joining of two people either by mutual attraction or arrangement. Think of a Venn Diagram - interlocking circles. Each person represents one circle with everything that comes with them also in that circle. All your history is there, family, friends, enemies and whatever your history is - you bring them with you. Once the circles lock together they will always be locked together. Even with divorce the circles will always be connected in some way - children, pets, memories, or common friends will see to that. The circles may have less commonality, but they are still connected. Children, in-laws and all the others are their own circles - each connecting to others that you never dreamed existed. Even if you die you are still in someone's circle - still connected. Circles can be brought together by love or hate. Marriage is the deliberate joining with love and expectations both spoken and unspoken. When it is said you give love without expecting anything in return - I call bullshit. You want/need to be loved in return, it's part of your circle that overlaps you marriage partner's circle. You give your love by caring for the other people in your circle and some how, some way they give you something in return. Why else would you do it? Not all your expectations can be met by the other person; the question is what is the deal breaker? What part of your circles must overlap for you to stay? That's pretty deep for a guy in a thong. I am capable of coherent thought at times. It is actually a variation based on a certain nursing theory I adhere to in my practice. The thong is for all y'all's protection.
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Post by snowman12345 on Feb 1, 2017 19:27:58 GMT -5
In my case the sausage analogy is perfect. We got along great until I came out of the fog. I started detaching. He liked everything about me except sex. That was not acceptable to me so I give my chili to men that like it. If he liked my chili we'd still be married, nothing else was a dealbreaker for me. You would like the sausage!
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Post by obobfla on Feb 1, 2017 19:28:16 GMT -5
I love my cat. I love coffee. I love my family. I even love my wife. But I am not sexually attracted to any of them.
I am sexually attracted to Katy Perry and many of the girls I see on my Instagram account. But I can't say that I love them, as I don't know them.
Love is a lot of things, some of it involving sexual attraction.
Now to marriage - it's a commitment. You share bodies, money, health, values, and even a home. You agree to support each other and share debts. It's a lot of work. I had acquaintances who were against gay marriage. I reminded them how much work is involved in a marriage and how much it is more than sex. I quoted Kinky Friedman, who said "Why should heterosexuals have all the misery?"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 2:56:45 GMT -5
Other than what I've seen in the movies and TV I have never experienced love so I can't say what it is. Why it eluded me while so many others were able to experience it, I have no idea.
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Post by McRoomMate on Feb 2, 2017 3:32:51 GMT -5
Sham wow Your not a weird dude, it's just a really hard question for me anyway to answer, I have forgotten what love really is at this point and it will be something I will even have to sit down and ponder flowerdust For many years, I had long since TOTALLY FORGOTTEN what Love was . . . to actually have genuine feelings for another . . . I can tell you that the Universe (or God if you want) will show you again, in my case, in the most unexpected place and with the most unforeseen person . . . it was not by my choice. As the Viscount de Valmont said in "Dangerous Liaisons" it is "Out of my control". My experience is Love is the most powerful of all human emotions and perhaps even the binding force of the Universe itself, and it is not a "Choice" it is overpowering to the person that in turn emanates it from the heart and soul. A few maximes: - No amount of money can buy love - everything else in this universe is for sale but not love (Sex, Gold, Power, even Earth itself, etc.). - Love is free though it has no price and is the most valuable and precious of all that touches Humans - Love or "Being in Love" is never a choice by the individual - Whether that "Being in Love" burns out or turns into a Long Term Loving Relationship is a choice, in fact a million choices and actions. That is my three cents.
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Post by flowerdust on Feb 2, 2017 8:15:42 GMT -5
Sham wow Your not a weird dude, it's just a really hard question for me anyway to answer, I have forgotten what love really is at this point and it will be something I will even have to sit down and ponder flowerdust For many years, I had long since TOTALLY FORGOTTEN what Love was . . . to actually have genuine feelings for another . . . I can tell you that the Universe (or God if you want) will show you again, in my case, in the most unexpected place and with the most unforeseen person . . . it was not by my choice. As the Viscount de Valmont said in "Dangerous Liaisons" it is "Out of my control". My experience is Love is the most powerful of all human emotions and perhaps even the binding force of the Universe itself, and it is not a "Choice" it is overpowering to the person that in turn emanates it from the heart and soul. A few maximes: - No amount of money can buy love - everything else in this universe is for sale but not love (Sex, Gold, Power, even Earth itself, etc.). - Love is free though it has no price and is the most valuable and precious of all that touches Humans - Love or "Being in Love" is never a choice by the individual - Whether that "Being in Love" burns out or turns into a Long Term Loving Relationship is a choice, in fact a million choices and actions. That is my three cents. Beautiful Quote I hope that someday I will find it .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 1:23:52 GMT -5
I have two arms, two legs and a wife. I will separate with them when I am dead.
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Post by mirrororchid on Sept 30, 2021 6:01:20 GMT -5
Bump. Searching for something else and found this from 2017. You’re welcome. 😏 I've long planned to tease apart the meanings we have for love, honor, cherish, have, and hold. Cherish is huge. We don't say "I cherish you." but we probably should start. I think it'll be a smorgasbord for thought.
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Post by Apocrypha on Oct 7, 2021 0:23:39 GMT -5
I'm seeking answers on what you think love and marriage should be. The answers for what it is and isn't, roughly correspond to how I felt when I asked my then-wife to marry me and when I finally chose to split. I asked her to marry me not long after I was returning home after a weekend business trip and realized I couldn't wait to see her. She had become a vital part of "home" for me. When I finally committed made the decision to split, I was very surprised to feel not just the loss of what was, but also to mourn the loss of an imagined future together. Christmases, growing old etc. From this, I learned that marriage should include a shared belief in a common future together and some level of joy in that. I think this is partly why spouses who are celibate (whether willingly or not), cheating, or otherwise mismatched end up devoting so much of their energies to delaying, complicating, and obfuscating what's clear to both of them. This is most pronounced when a member of a couple who has been celibate for years moves out of the bedroom, or has an affair, and the other partner reacts poorly to it. It's because confronting the obvious truth gives it form, and this jeopardizes the belief in the common future. When that happens, the "marriage" is over. Even for the sexually averse partner, the affair or simply sleeping in another bed is an external signal that they are not partners in marriage. They might be partners in other things, but not in love or marriage. I have a cooperative arrangement with my ex-wife that's more amicable than many married couples I've seen. But neither of us has any illusion that we're partners to each other.
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Post by mirrororchid on Oct 12, 2021 4:59:19 GMT -5
I've long planned to tease apart the meanings we have for love, honor, cherish, have, and hold. Cherish is huge. We don't say "I cherish you." but we probably should start. I think it'll be a smorgasbord for thought. “Cherish” is a provision of the traditional vows after all. Probably the first thing to go post-nuptials. I got my own ideas, but what is "cherishing"? The definition on google says: "protect and care for (someone) lovingly." Seems redundant with "love". But we cherish memories, right? How do you protect a memory? Or care for it?
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