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Post by fish on Jun 18, 2020 0:04:44 GMT -5
Thanks everyone.
I don't seriously think she will go for the open marriage option, it's been radio silence since I mentioned it, and even if she did I'm not sure that's what I really want. I was just wanting to be able to say I had covered every option. Having said that it would definitely be cheaper than divorce (it's going to cost me over £half a million as I have savings, big pension and we own a big house) even if I was paying for everything!
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Post by baza on Jun 18, 2020 2:27:27 GMT -5
OK Brother fish . By seeing your Solicitor you have created an option other than staying in your ILIASM deal. Well done. Getting fully informed is always a good thing to do. I hope you get some clarity about your next move. Just one more thing, where you say of a divorce - "it's going to cost me over £half a million", that's not actually so. It ain't going to cost YOU anything, over and above what you are entitled to. In a no fault jurisdiction marital assets belong to the spouses jointly. They don't belong entirely to you, nor do they belong entirely to your spouse. The marital divisible assets are owned jointly, and in the event of the dissolution of a marriage, the divisible assets are split 50-50. If your missus is going to get half a million quid out of the joint assets, then so are you. It's not "you giving her half your money" and it is not "her giving you half her money". It is just both of you getting your right whack out of the marital assets.
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Post by saarinista on Jun 18, 2020 12:25:38 GMT -5
baza this is true. A divorce just accelerates the division of assets. If you stay together, you will divide them as you spend them over the term of your marriage. If you end your marriage, you just split the assets (and the debts) immediately. Everyone should remember that in a marriage, YOU NEVER own everything yourself. Marriage is an economic partnership as much as anything. As we all know, marriage ain't just about sex for sure!
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Post by fish on Jun 19, 2020 1:04:48 GMT -5
Yes... but 'our' savings come from money I inherited at 18, my brother spent all his in his 20's, I invested mine and it's now worth quite a bit. My wife now gets half of it. My wife moved in with me within weeks of us meeting, and gave up work to concentrate all her time on making my life hell. She has owned up to having a spending problem and at one point half our income went on her buying junk from amazon.co.uk until I finally worked out why we never had any money.
She has always hated me working and always been convinced I'm just using it as a cover for having an affair. Work has been the biggest source of our disagreements. I don't feel that she has contributed anything to our financial situation, in fact she has actively made it worse, and the only thanks I have ever got for supporting her was being screamed at and no sex.
Anyway, she has been a good mother and she has done a lot of work to raise the kids well so I can't fault her for that. Despite the above I don't begrudge her the money and I have also been very lucky with my inheritance and having a good job.
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Post by mirrororchid on Jun 19, 2020 5:26:02 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I don't seriously think she will go for the open marriage option, it's been radio silence since I mentioned it, and even if she did I'm not sure that's what I really want. I was just wanting to be able to say I had covered every option. Having said that it would definitely be cheaper than divorce (it's going to cost me over £half a million as I have savings, big pension and we own a big house) even if I was paying for everything! Given your past affair, if you go the open marriage route, it may be prudent to mention it in texts or emails and make sure her consent is clear. If you end up in divorce, it's got to be made clear that your character is unconventional, but not shady. This isn't supposed to affect divorce proceedings, but you do have kids and it'd be good for your wife and you to be on equally unconventional lifestyle footing rather than your activities being painted as conventionally dishonest. The open marriage allows for an intact home and that new home may be markedly better once you're no longer intimately "trapped". Once I'd decided to date, it was much easier to treat my wife with utmost courtesy and kindness. Talking with her therapist (unrelated disaster) inspired a reset that's undermined my dating intentions (which pleases us both). While I was pursuing though, I was seeking out women in open marriages exclusively because they already had the roommate they wanted. (or a primary lover, I never pried.) While Kathy was pleased I picked up our minor check for coffee and donuts, she seemed ready to pay some of the time. The expense should be only slightly higher than having lunches with male platonic friends, if you find someone like Kathy. If a woman is gold-digging or clingy, you go back to the dating site and find someone more comfortable in their marriage. As Saarinista mentioned, time is often the commodity in least supply. Married women should be largely occupied with the same things you are. They want to make time for the same reasons you do. Lots of online resources are out there for open marriage advice. Multiamory and Polyamory Weekly are podcasts that address specific issues that arise in terms of time-management and jealousy. Ignore Multiamory's dreadful intro music and mission statement that makes them sound like lizard lounge swingers. They do deep dive relationship research. Could also divorce, and just not move out. It'll be unusual women that accept that, but it might be cleaner. Basement apartment with separate entrance?
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Post by saarinista on Jun 19, 2020 15:55:17 GMT -5
I have to say, the concept of "dating" while married sounds... odd.
To me, "dates" are activities meant to test a relationship for the plausibility of deeper involvement. I never saw dating as a permanent lifestyle, but rather a sort of way station on a journey to marriage, the "Final Destination" where I would find a welcoming family, a supportive family, and a home that both benefited from economies of scale and provided comfortable, unlimited sexual activity.
What fools we mortals be. 🙄😱🤦♀️
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Post by DryCreek on Jun 20, 2020 19:17:43 GMT -5
fish, I hope you discussed the nature of your inheritance with the lawyer. In many jurisdictions, inheritance is not subject to the 50/50 asset split unless it’s been moved into a joint account at some point. Because the other side of the coin is that you may end up paying a large alimony for a long while; you might use that inheritance as a negotiating point.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 20, 2020 21:34:54 GMT -5
Just a repeat (from years ago) of what my attorney told me, " Just be careful, someone gets greedy and someone gets impatient".
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Post by fish on Jun 21, 2020 2:54:06 GMT -5
So... I NEED MORE ADVICE!! My wife started talking about holidays and parents staying yesterday. I said that's not going to happen if we are divorcing. She looked shocked. It was as if she had completely forgotten our conversations earlier in the week, and life was going on exactly as normal. To my understanding we had said that we were divorcing (my decision) and I had given her the only other option of an open relationship. We talked again. I really think that she was hoping that talk of divorce would just go away like it always has in the past. She tried to argue again. Then she quickly changed and said it was all her fault and that she needed to be fixed and would see someone not just for counselling but to get psychosexual therapy, and that all her friends have sex once or twice a week (having previously explained to me how none of her friends have sex any more and I'm selfish for suggesting that we should be) and she knows that we are unusual. I asked what I had done wrong, she said nothing and that I was perfect. I'm really not sure what is going on here, it's either: 1) She has tried the tactic of getting very angry with me, her first response, which included a character assassination for 20 minutes calling me a bully, a narcissist and saying that I didn't care about her. That failed so she tried the ignore the situation and it will go away tactic. That failed, so she tried a quick bit of getting angry again which didn't seem to be working, now we are on to the very passive approach promising to get help, taking all the blame, approach. She has told me she is going to get fixed because it buys her time and is open ended with no immediate obligation on her part, she could spend months on even just finding the right therapist to start with. 2) She has genuinely realised that sex is important and wants to get help to save the relationship. It feels like a game and I am being played. She has a lot to lose by divorcing: a nice comfy family home, doctor for a husband, I'm fit and well and look after her, a bank account to dip into, plenty of security. This is a very clever move on her part. It's open ended she could take years getting therapy with no guarantee of anything but it proves how committed she is to saving the marriage and how much she cares about my needs. If I press ahead with divorce I would be evil if she is being so 'honest' and taking all the blame and making steps to fix it. ****What the hell do I do?? DryCreek - my solicitor said that she would get half of everything including any savings wherever they came from after a 19 year marriage, also there is no such thing as an automatic right to alimony in the UK, and advised I don't offer it or discuss it.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 21, 2020 7:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by sadkat on Jun 21, 2020 10:57:18 GMT -5
fish- something similar happened to me when I asked for a divorce. He was in denial for months- planning family activities and going on with life as if I had not been continually saying I wanted out. When he couldn’t pretend anymore, he had a brief period of “sorrow” over not realizing how much his actions (or inaction) affected me. The biggest difference is that he was honest with me about “not being cut out for therapy”. When I stood firm with my decision and he finally accepted it, he moved forward with the separation surprisingly quickly. I believe this is another delay tactic for your wife. I wonder how she would react if you stuck to your guns and told her that her attempts at seeking therapy were too little, too late?
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Post by DryCreek on Jun 21, 2020 11:35:32 GMT -5
fish, I think you have a good grasp of the possibilities here. I’ve become a pessimist when it comes to sudden changes in behavior. While your wife may suddenly be enlightened that things are abnormal, that doesn’t translate to long-term changes in her behavior. And you’re very right that even if she can/will find a therapist quickly, progress takes years, not weeks, and is easy to stretch indefinitely.
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Post by fish on Jun 21, 2020 12:11:27 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. This forum really is the biggest help ever! greatcoastal thanks for the links. Reading some of those almost made me cry. I have known for a long time that my wife has BDP (rather than NPD), or at least most of the characteristics, although not a formal diagnosis just my observations. I thought that I knew a lot about it but some of the information was new to me: particularly the article on argument styles, I thought the author must have been watching us argue!! It explains why I come out of an argument wondering what just hit me with my head spinning. And why we never seem to actually discuss the issue she originally brought up, but everything else she is angry with me about spanning the last 20 years..... again! itme sounds like your ex was BPD as well?? DryCreek yes when I have mentioned divorce in the past she suddenly got interested in sex, once or twice maximum just to make me change my mind. It is a predictable pattern. She has now totally and completely lost interest in sex so it's a promise to see a therapist. Realistically it is just a stalling tactic and nothing else. Our eldest cat has got really ill over the last few days and I think she is going to die very soon, she is 18 so she is allowed to call it a day. A bit of a break from thinking about marriage issues until she says goodbye to us.
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Post by saarinista on Jun 21, 2020 12:15:12 GMT -5
I agree. Therapy can last indefinitely. She should have gotten it on her own. Long ago. 🙄🤔
Unless she immediately finds a therapist and starts going religiously once a week rain or shine, AND changes her sexual behavior significantly, I'd be very wary that it's just a reset.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 21, 2020 15:23:53 GMT -5
I believe this is another delay tactic for your wife. I wonder how she would react if you stuck to your guns and told her that her attempts at seeking therapy were too little, too late? Here's my guess from my own experience ,and reading of 100's of others like mine, she will then lawyer up, move money, and manipulate the entire family against you. She will play "the victim card" to the max. It's all about power , control and avoiding the truth.
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