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Post by snowman12345 on Apr 23, 2016 8:02:44 GMT -5
I found this on Google News/LA Times. The author of the LA Times article seemed to think the biggest factor was financial stress due to the housing market crash. I believe that there is more than one cause for this increase. I wonder if SM contributed to the increase? It is impossible to do an exit poll as the study group is dead, but the amount of depression and feelings of worthlessness that an SM causes as seen on EP and in our new forum makes me wonder. Just a cheerful thought to brighten up your day.
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/suicide/rates_1999_2014.htm
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Post by misssunnybunny on Apr 23, 2016 8:17:12 GMT -5
I read an article about this as well: www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/health/us-suicide-rate-surges-to-a-30-year-high.html?_r=0 What stood out for me is the increase for teens/pre-teens committing suicide; that is sad and scary. The article does link the increase to economics, and says that studies show suicides increase during worse economic times, and decrease when the country's economy improves. In my opinion, the lack of appropriate and continuing mental health services has to somehow contribute. It is interesting to consider whether dealing with being in and SM contributes, given how many have talked about feeling suicidal/hopeless/worthless. I can only hope that those who are here seeking help can see that there can be a light at the end of the tunnel, and things can get better. Also, if you have someone in your life you are worried about, talk to them. If you are worried about yourself, talk to someone, get help. US National Suicide Hotline: 1-800-273-8255. |
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Post by JMX on Apr 23, 2016 8:20:24 GMT -5
Link doesn't work for me  I think I heard this briefly on tv yesterday - caught the end. I can relate. My financial situation sucks right now. If I wasn't an overall positive person, I would have done the same. My dad called me the other day in disbelief for all that I am handling. He told me: "I would have freaked out and gone off the grid long ago." My dad is my rock, so that was a little eye-opening. He does know everything - including my SM (not detailed like my mom does). The combination of SM and financial stress really does suck. Happy Saturday morning! |
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Post by misssunnybunny on Apr 23, 2016 8:29:01 GMT -5
Link doesn't work for me I think I heard this briefly on tv yesterday - caught the end. I can relate. My financial situation sucks right now. If I wasn't an overall positive person, I would have done the same. My dad called me the other day in disbelief for all that I am handling. He told me: "I would have freaked out and gone off the grid long ago." My dad is my rock, so that was a little eye-opening. He does know everything - including my SM (not detailed like my mom does). The combination of SM and financial stress really does suck. Happy Saturday morning! I took out the parentheses, might work now? It is an interesting article. I think this is important to talk about so we can better help each other, both here and in our lives in general. Take care all! |
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Post by Dan on Apr 23, 2016 9:45:25 GMT -5
Quick fact: in America, the annual loss of life to suicide is DOUBLE that of the loss of life from all form of homicide. (Varies year to year, but about 28,000 a year compared to about 14,000.)
Think of all the new coverage that shootings get. If given proportional coverage, there would be TWICE as much coverage of suicide!
If that is so, why don't we hear about it? It really is a serious problem: both the total loss of life, and the near silence about it as a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 9:57:08 GMT -5
I wonder if suicide is more common in places that stress individualism, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, etc. (due to society frowning on people who admit they can't do everything by themselves, and who ask for help.)
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Post by mathdoll on Apr 23, 2016 10:18:01 GMT -5
If that is so, why don't we hear about it? It really is a serious problem: both the total loss of life, and the near silence about it as a problem. Organisations that deal with suicide advise that publicising suicide is harmful, whether this is an individual suicide or more general material. There is research showing that after suicide is reported in the media there is often a spike in suicide. This is particularly the case for people with similar characteristics and the method. In the UK media are actively discouraged from reporting details of suicide and the method because of this risk. Here is just one link although there is a lot of research: bjp.rcpsych.org/content/197/3/234There isn't any evidence that media attention can prevent suicide, although raising awareness about mental health issues and how to get help may be beneficial. Even interviews and articles by and about experts in suicidology seems to raise suicide rates. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 15:07:32 GMT -5
It would be very interesting to know if sexlessness does influence suicide rates, I did ask my psychologist two weeks ago but didn't get a clear answer.
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Post by Dan on Apr 23, 2016 15:38:46 GMT -5
There isn't any evidence that media attention can prevent suicide, although raising awareness about mental health issues and how to get help may be beneficial. Even interviews and articles by and about experts in suicidology seems to raise suicide rates. OK, point taken. I'm glad you raised it. While it may have sounded like it, I wasn't really proposing that we "cover suicides more in the news." (And -- if I might add -- media attention of homicides probably doesn't reduce them, either. I don't think that is the "metric" the news uses.) I think my "dig" at the news coverage disparity was really an attempt to shake a finger at people who WORRY about the wrong stuff in large part based on what the news shows them; I can't stand folks who live in cushy suburbs who are worried about death-by-criminal-act, but who are blind to the fact that suicide is MUCH more likely to touch their lives. I certainly agree with "raising awareness about mental health issues". |
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Post by snowman12345 on Apr 23, 2016 16:13:14 GMT -5
If that is so, why don't we hear about it? It really is a serious problem: both the total loss of life, and the near silence about it as a problem. Organisations that deal with suicide advise that publicising suicide is harmful, whether this is an individual suicide or more general material. There is research showing that after suicide is reported in the media there is often a spike in suicide. This is particularly the case for people with similar characteristics and the method. In the UK media are actively discouraged from reporting details of suicide and the method because of this risk. Here is just one link although there is a lot of research: bjp.rcpsych.org/content/197/3/234There isn't any evidence that media attention can prevent suicide, although raising awareness about mental health issues and how to get help may be beneficial. Even interviews and articles by and about experts in suicidology seems to raise suicide rates. I can believe this - seems like the number of copy cat suicides goes up after a suicide is published in the news. Especially in pre teen and teenagers. I also need to slam society for the disparity in coverage of whose death means more to society. Why does Prince's life mean more that a 12 year old that hangs herself? I know, I know, Prince was a great musician who touched many lives - how many lives would the 12 year old have touched? Or the police officer that dies in the line of duty or the old man (or woman) who spent his/her life caring for their family? Sorry I tend to rant about the character of society in general.
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Post by RumRunner on Apr 23, 2016 19:45:59 GMT -5
I will never understand why some people show no empathy to those that kill themselves. My brother had killed himself, and my other brother said he will never forgive him because of what he did was selfish. I also had a coworker kill himself, and other coworkers made ugly remarks because of his weakness, called him a coward. I will never understand why some people are so cold-hearted. Perhaps these are the people that contribute to the suicide rate, the narcissism and coldness of society that destroys the more sensitive people out there.
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Post by unmatched on Apr 23, 2016 20:11:17 GMT -5
I will never understand why some people show no empathy to those that kill themselves. My brother had killed himself, and my other brother said he will never forgive him because of what he did was selfish. I also had a coworker kill himself, and other coworkers made ugly remarks because of his weakness, called him a coward. I will never understand why some people are so cold-hearted. Perhaps these are the people that contribute to the suicide rate, the narcissism and coldness of society that destroys the more sensitive people out there. I think it is easier to label somebody than to try and work through all the conflicting emotions. I knew someone who killed himself last year. He was a long term refuser and eventually his wife needed touch and communication and intimacy and had to leave him. He killed himself and left 2 young kids without a father. Do I have sympathy for his pain and depression? Yes. Was it unutterably selfish? Yes. As I get older I lean more towards seeing that kind of state as at least partly volitional. Not in any given moment perhaps, but an accumulation of choices and decisions over a long period of time which wears such a deep track in your brain that you can't see out of it. I don't think that is always the case, but often. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 0:01:45 GMT -5
I will never understand why some people show no empathy to those that kill themselves. My brother had killed himself, and my other brother said he will never forgive him because of what he did was selfish. I also had a coworker kill himself, and other coworkers made ugly remarks because of his weakness, called him a coward. I will never understand why some people are so cold-hearted. Perhaps these are the people that contribute to the suicide rate, the narcissism and coldness of society that destroys the more sensitive people out there. This! People commit suicide because they are in pain and they can't see any other way to make the pain stop. I for one feel deep empathy with them. |
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Post by Rhapsodee on Apr 24, 2016 1:06:01 GMT -5
It's the feeling of being worthless that drives some people to suicide. They aren't in any real pain. They simply see no value in their existence.
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Post by mathdoll on Apr 24, 2016 2:12:48 GMT -5
It's the feeling of being worthless that drives some people to suicide. They aren't in any real pain. They simply see no value in their existence. You can't know that. There a lot of reasons for suicide and one of those is overwhelming emotional pain. |
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