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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Feb 13, 2017 2:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Feb 13, 2017 2:36:23 GMT -5
Do you do anything for your spouse that is just out of love for them that they may or may not notice?
Every time I go to the store I always get something just for him (snack, drink, card, sweet)... I also refill his coffee throughout the day (works from home) and hang up our daughters favorite new drawings next to his desk each week.
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Post by baza on Feb 13, 2017 3:54:46 GMT -5
I must admit that as my ILIASM deal played out to its' inevitable conclusion, my willingness to do anything thoughtful and nice for my missus dropped away commensurately with the state of the marriage. I was a complete non contributor in this particular facet of the dynamic by the finish.
I didn't go out of my way to be nasty, but it would be true to say that I ended up putting in no effort at all on such things.
And, it was reciprocal. Neither did she.
Once we'd parted, and a bit of time elapsed and we'd redefined our relationship based on reality, it was a different story. I'd do her a favour anytime, just as I would any friend.
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Post by whuffo on Feb 15, 2017 14:56:55 GMT -5
I did... still do to some extent, but now the "nice" things have become an expectation and there is absolutely zero reciprocation. In my single days I learned to cook like a madman because that was a great way to impress a date. When we were dating my wife loved the meals I made and since I'm the better cook anyway she just left it to me. Then began the whole not even getting out of bed to come get it, so I did my nice guy dutiful job of delivering it to her. Years later she tells me that cooking for her isn't a nice, romantic thing to do because, and I quote, "you have to eat anyway". True, but alone I don't need to make roasted game hens and wild rice and serve creme Brule for desert. (yes, homemade and with the crusty burnt sugar top)
I've been an enabler for a manipulator as I was lead to believe that if I was nicer and did more I'd get my needs met. Never came to fruition, and now I still struggle with the lack of help around the house from her. Did I mention that she's a stay at home wife and I work a more than full time job and handle our kids school, doctors, sports, scout schedule? She still gets her share of nice things coming her way, but I've started scaling back and been making her fend for herself a bit. Oh, still did the whole card, chocolates, flowers for V-tines day... nothing in return, as usual. Not surprised.
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Post by csl on Feb 15, 2017 17:02:00 GMT -5
Enabling? I call it putting the princess on a pedestal. I also have two words for that, too....
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Post by DryCreek on Feb 15, 2017 23:08:42 GMT -5
whuffo, instead of easing back, have you considered going cold turkey? A sharp drop-off in your generosity is more likely to be noticed. And while it may lead to a difficult discussion, it would bring the issue to a head. A la, tough love.
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Feb 16, 2017 0:01:32 GMT -5
I did... still do to some extent, but now the "nice" things have become an expectation and there is absolutely zero reciprocation. In my single days I learned to cook like a madman because that was a great way to impress a date. When we were dating my wife loved the meals I made and since I'm the better cook anyway she just left it to me. Then began the whole not even getting out of bed to come get it, so I did my nice guy dutiful job of delivering it to her. Years later she tells me that cooking for her isn't a nice, romantic thing to do because, and I quote, "you have to eat anyway". True, but alone I don't need to make roasted game hens and wild rice and serve creme Brule for desert. (yes, homemade and with the crusty burnt sugar top) I've been an enabler for a manipulator as I was lead to believe that if I was nicer and did more I'd get my needs met. Never came to fruition, and now I still struggle with the lack of help around the house from her. Did I mention that she's a stay at home wife and I work a more than full time job and handle our kids school, doctors, sports, scout schedule? She still gets her share of nice things coming her way, but I've started scaling back and been making her fend for herself a bit. Oh, still did the whole card, chocolates, flowers for V-tines day... nothing in return, as usual. Not surprised. Wow. I thought I did a lot, but working full time + all the parental/house duties? Yikes. That's a busy, stressful and lonely life (since you are really just taking care of a big child instead of having an adult life partner). I'm truly sorry for that. Unreciprocated affection and thoughtfulness weighs heavy on your heart, and sooner takes over the mind
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Post by whuffo on Feb 16, 2017 15:17:31 GMT -5
You are dead on Mrslowmaintenance, it is a busy, stressful lonely life. Add no time for the things I enjoy that energize me, and no sex to boot and it is a train wreck. It is almost impressive, though, her systematic takedown of me, my defenses. I'm not a meek, soft-spoken follower type that you would expect this to happen to. I'm a Type-A, strong-willed, military special ops guy who you think would have been able to see through the bullshit and defend against it. But she used some pretty effective tactics of subversion that would make an effective covert operative! Kinda impressive in some ways. So, here I am, working my ass off day in and day out for an unappreciative, lackluster, sponge of a wife. And yes. It has come to a head several time in recent arguments where she would bring up leaving and I didn't tell her not to go. She backed down a bit from her controlling, demanding self when I did that. So I've taken the pedestal down quite a bit. I'm just not as invested as I was, but if she leaves I will hardly ever see my kids, and they mean the world to me. We are stationed overseas, so if she left she'd have to head back to the states and I am here for another 2 years. Which is worse, not getting to see your kids grow up, or having an empty shell of a marriage?
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Feb 16, 2017 17:40:54 GMT -5
You are dead on Mrslowmaintenance, it is a busy, stressful lonely life. Add no time for the things I enjoy that energize me, and no sex to boot and it is a train wreck. It is almost impressive, though, her systematic takedown of me, my defenses. I'm not a meek, soft-spoken follower type that you would expect this to happen to. I'm a Type-A, strong-willed, military special ops guy who you think would have been able to see through the bullshit and defend against it. But she used some pretty effective tactics of subversion that would make an effective covert operative! Kinda impressive in some ways. So, here I am, working my ass off day in and day out for an unappreciative, lackluster, sponge of a wife. And yes. It has come to a head several time in recent arguments where she would bring up leaving and I didn't tell her not to go. She backed down a bit from her controlling, demanding self when I did that. So I've taken the pedestal down quite a bit. I'm just not as invested as I was, but if she leaves I will hardly ever see my kids, and they mean the world to me. We are stationed overseas, so if she left she'd have to head back to the states and I am here for another 2 years. Which is worse, not getting to see your kids grow up, or having an empty shell of a marriage? Not only not getting to see your kids grow up, but having her as their only adult influence (or primary at the least) in their lives. I highly doubt you would like her being the model your children follow. As much as a bad marriage with uneven balance of power and responsibilities is not the best example of a healthy relationship either, I still think having your W (with you not there to ground them) as the primary care giver is asking for trouble later in their lives. What a horrible choice. I am sorry you are overseas, I'm sure it would be much easier for you to excuse her of her duties if you were 'home' and without the knowledge your children will leave too. If I were in that type of situation, I would think that I would tough it out too, as well as keep the kids away from her as much as possible to be as much of a strong influence as I could be with the window I have.
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