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Post by ironhamster on Jun 13, 2017 9:32:35 GMT -5
1 Corinthians 7:3-5: "Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency."
Ecclesiastes 5:4-5: *"5:4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.
5:5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and break it.
Every refuser is breaking their marriage vows. The only exception might be if there is a medical problem inhibiting sexual activity, but even then, there are almost always ways around it.
It's not love. It's just a game with them. And, one with big payoffs for them. Sexless marriage is clearly in violation of biblical principles, and woe to the denier.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:24:47 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly. I have written a lot about this on my blog.
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Post by ironhamster on Jun 13, 2017 10:55:53 GMT -5
Can you post a link, flashjohn? I'd appreciate your insights. Technically, it will not change my situation, but, once the fireworks start, I want to have my arguments solidly so that I do not receive all the blame. |
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Post by shamwow on Jun 13, 2017 13:56:05 GMT -5
Can you post a link, flashjohn ? I'd appreciate your insights. Technically, it will not change my situation, but, once the fireworks start, I want to have my arguments solidly so that I do not receive all the blame. I'm not a Christian (anymore), so please forgive any assumptions I may make about your faith. I can say that your wife will blame you. Very few people can be rejected like that and own up to their own role in it. Those people are usually emotionally aware enough that they are not refusers in the first place. Recently I had a very good conversation with my father about what other people would think about my decision to divorce. My father is a very wise man. His reply was "Sometimes, son...fuck what other people think. You do what you need to do and don't apologize for it." So as far as whether or not you receive the blame, all you can do is ask your wife for forgiveness if you feel there are any aspects of the situation you are responsible for (I've apologized to mine for some minor aspects). If you feel you have sinned before God in some way, ask Him for forgiveness (I'm pretty sure it says in the good book it will be granted). But in the end? Do what you need to do. Get right with God, and fuck what other people think. |
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Post by ironhamster on Jun 13, 2017 14:41:07 GMT -5
shamwow, I feel at peace with my anticipated path. If I was living three thousand years ago I'd already be dead of old age, and faithful. Well, here I am. I think God understands I've put up with enough of this shit. Adultery had had different meanings. In Moses time, it was important to maintain blood lines, and adultery basically meant women were stoned for fucking around and men could do anything they wanted. In classic terms and definitions, I'm not planning on doing anything wrong.
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Post by shamwow on Jun 13, 2017 14:47:57 GMT -5
shamwow , I feel at peace with my anticipated path. If I was living three thousand years ago I'd already be dead of old age, and faithful. Well, here I am. I think God understands I've put up with enough of this shit. Adultery had had different meanings. In Moses time, it was important to maintain blood lines, and adultery basically meant women were stoned for fucking around and men could do anything they wanted. In classic terms and definitions, I'm not planning on doing anything wrong. The funny part is that adultery or not, your wife is still going to blame you. Mine blamed me for not physically forcing her into the car, driving her to the car, and sitting in the talk with the OBGYN to diagnose her "medical issue". Sorry if it sounded like I was talking about adultery. Honestly, that thought didn't cross my mind at all, and the only way I'd have an opinion is if you were hitting on me (the opinion would be decidedly negative in that regard). I managed to serve my 20 years without cheating, but if it had gone on another, say 2-5 years? I'd be in the exact same boat, so no stones being cast from this direction. It's a tough road to travel, brother. |
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Post by ironhamster on Jun 13, 2017 15:31:58 GMT -5
I'm used to getting blame. Me, not living up to some arbitrary standard of perfection is just one of the many mindfucks I've gotten over the years.
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Post by csl on Jun 13, 2017 17:15:07 GMT -5
I, too, write a blog on Christianity and sex, at the url in my sig file below. I have created a subpage that serves as an index to posts I have done on sexless marriage, specifically. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 17:54:19 GMT -5
Can you post a link, flashjohn ? I'd appreciate your insights. Technically, it will not change my situation, but, once the fireworks start, I want to have my arguments solidly so that I do not receive all the blame. LOL, it is at the bottom of all of my posts. www.thecelibatehusband.wordpress.com |
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Post by baza on Jun 13, 2017 18:36:09 GMT -5
Well, we can bust out our supply of theologists, add a platoon of canon lawyers, the odd cardinal and a battery of rabi's and imam's and make a completely airtight case that spouse A ought fuck spouse B.
The deposition can then be presented to the recalcitrant spouse A on a velvet cushion carried by a couple of pageboys with a brass band accompaniment.
In view of such pomp and ceremony, spouse A might possibly maybe perhaps even read the submission, but probably not.
Then, once the brass band has packed away their instruments, the various canon lawyers and cardinals et al have returned to their cloisters, spouse A can go take a dump, then wipe their arse on the submission.
And spouse B can return to whacking themselves off and taking spouse A's inventory and all the usual things refused spouses do.
Addendum.
Perhaps spouse A has less fear of going to hell for failing to cleave with spouse B than spouse B fears going to hell for divorcing spouse A.
Or maybe spouse A is just way less afraid of getting divorced than spouse B.
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Post by csl on Jun 13, 2017 21:25:12 GMT -5
Well, we can bust out our supply of theologists, add a platoon of canon lawyers, the odd cardinal and a battery of rabi's and imam's and make a completely airtight case that spouse A ought fuck spouse B. The deposition can then be presented to the recalcitrant spouse A on a velvet cushion carried by a couple of pageboys with a brass band accompaniment. In view of such pomp and ceremony, spouse A might possibly maybe perhaps even read the submission, but probably not. Then, once the brass band has packed away their instruments, the various canon lawyers and cardinals et al have returned to their cloisters, spouse A can go take a dump, then wipe their arse on the submission. And spouse B can return to whacking themselves off and taking spouse A's inventory and all the usual things refused spouses do. I read this post and I hear "the dwarves are for the dwarves." Yes, a very obscure C. S. Lewis reference. |
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Post by unmatched on Jun 13, 2017 23:01:11 GMT -5
Well, we can bust out our supply of theologists, add a platoon of canon lawyers, the odd cardinal and a battery of rabi's and imam's and make a completely airtight case that spouse A ought fuck spouse B. The deposition can then be presented to the recalcitrant spouse A on a velvet cushion carried by a couple of pageboys with a brass band accompaniment. In view of such pomp and ceremony, spouse A might possibly maybe perhaps even read the submission, but probably not. Then, once the brass band has packed away their instruments, the various canon lawyers and cardinals et al have returned to their cloisters, spouse A can go take a dump, then wipe their arse on the submission. And spouse B can return to whacking themselves off and taking spouse A's inventory and all the usual things refused spouses do. I read this post and I hear "the dwarves are for the dwarves." Yes, a very obscure C. S. Lewis reference. They made a movie out of Prince Caspian that took about $400m. Not very obscure any more! |
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Post by csl on Jun 14, 2017 11:15:50 GMT -5
I read this post and I hear "the dwarves are for the dwarves." Yes, a very obscure C. S. Lewis reference. They made a movie out of Prince Caspian that took about $400m. Not very obscure any more! but the quote is from the seventh book in the series, The Last Battle, so you have to be a true Narnia afficionado to get the quote. |
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Post by h on Jun 14, 2017 16:39:13 GMT -5
Shortly before I started posting here, I got so disillusioned and bitter towards organized religion that I sent an anonymous "open letter" to every church in the area that I could Google an address for. It was basically a scolding of church leadership for neglecting this very issue. I started it by stating that I had not specifically attended all the churches that I sent it to but that it was important enough that I wanted it shared. I have no idea how it was received by the ones who got it and I didn't put a return label on it. It felt good to write and send it though.
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Post by greatcoastal on Jun 22, 2017 19:51:39 GMT -5
I hope they preach encouragement to the refused rather than admonish the refuser. The refuser won't listen, or if they do they will get up and leave, as we all know. Let's say God himsel came down in all his glory and had a little talk with your refuser. What do y'all think would happen? A slight increase in starfish sex? I'll leave that up to God.( It would take a miracle.) Miracles are things beyond my comprehension. And I like it that way! |
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