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Post by lessingham on Mar 13, 2019 5:13:56 GMT -5
After ladt night's voting on Brexit I am reeling with disgust over the British politicians. Anyone got any roon for a disgruntled idiot? Anywhere where the word Brexit is never used. I mean, even a cupboard beneath the stairs will do.
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Post by baza on Mar 13, 2019 6:05:25 GMT -5
You *could* swap problems Brother lessingham . Say you moved to my jurisdiction, you'd not have to deal with UK politicians and brexit - and instead you'd have to deal with the politicians here, and issues like emission trade offsets and suchlike. Pick your poison. Hint - if you plan on shifting to this jurisdiction, don't come by leaky boat or you'll end up in an offshore detention centre for quite an extended period and your basic human rights are not real likely to be respected. |
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Post by isthisit on Mar 13, 2019 15:25:57 GMT -5
After ladt night's voting on Brexit I am reeling with disgust over the British politicians. Anyone got any roon for a disgruntled idiot? Anywhere where the word Brexit is never used. I mean, even a cupboard beneath the stairs will do. Agreed. A shower of shit every last one of them, of every flavour and persuasion. Room for another one under the stairs lessingham ? I’m pretty petite so won’t take up much room. If we budge up there might be room for carl endthegame and mescaline too. |
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Post by mescaline on Mar 13, 2019 16:06:58 GMT -5
I've got a garage, there's a few bikes, a couple of sleeping bags, a camping stove and some beer!
Everyone embarrassed about their nationality are welcome!
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Post by isthisit on Mar 13, 2019 16:12:21 GMT -5
I've got a garage, there's a few bikes, a couple of sleeping bags, a camping stove and some beer! Everyone embarrassed about their nationality are welcome! Count me in. We can talk about the weather instead 😜. |
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Post by worksforme2 on Mar 13, 2019 20:10:04 GMT -5
You folks on the other side of the pond should be careful about what you ask for. You could end up on this side of the deep water where after observing politics American style. You just might appreciate what civil discourse and real statesmanship looks like compared to the muck raking and acrimony displayed here.
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Post by Handy on Mar 13, 2019 22:42:22 GMT -5
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Post by lessingham on Mar 14, 2019 3:42:36 GMT -5
I would much rather clean bikes in a garage or discuss the weather under stairs than explain brexit to non Britains.
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Post by Handy on Mar 14, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -5
OK lessingham. I watched several for-against Brexit videos so maybe I kind of know a little about what is going on but not all that much. It sounded complicated but I heard a lot about money issues.
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Post by saarinista on Mar 19, 2019 0:22:25 GMT -5
You folks on the other side of the pond should be careful about what you ask for. You could end up on this side of the deep water where after observing politics American style. You just might appreciate what civil discourse and real statesmanship looks like compared to the muck raking and acrimony displayed here. ditto that settlement. |
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Post by saarinista on Mar 19, 2019 0:25:05 GMT -5
I've been trying to get around to reading up on Brexit. So far, I've failed, but best wishes to the UK in its Brexit-ing. Ima a read a Wikipedia article tonight!
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Post by petrushka on Mar 19, 2019 1:47:25 GMT -5
The thing is with Brexit, that the whole thing was based on lies and disinformation, in conjunction with an ad campaign that was conducted by a subsidiary of the ignominious Cambridge Analytics. I.M.O. Boris Johnson did the whole thing for his own advancement. And it came to bite him in the arse -- see where he is now. There is a lengthy article about it in today's Guardian, in a discussion with the guy who blew the whistle on Cambridge Analytics and Facebook.
And so a lot of people who thought they had the right information, fell for a bunch of lies and voted for Brexit. Now they stand at the brink of a severe collapse of the English economy. European and Japanese car makers are pulling their factories out of England, financial institutions, banks, are closing their London offices to relocate to the continent ... this is going to HURT. People in Britain are stockpiling medication because they expect there will be shortages.
Ironically, I cannot totally deny the tiniest little bit of Schadenfreude. I was still living in the EU when Britain joined. They joined soooo half-heartedly. They wanted special treatment over this, they wanted special treatment over that, they did not want to comply with this, that, and the other .... I remember thinking at the time 'why not just walk away from this'? Britain was just going to be the dead albatross around the EU's neck. Heh. It went much better than expected, until Boris Johnson and Farrage came around - one over-ambitious politician who had nobody's interests at heart but his own power grab, and one whack-job nationalist stick up the arse twit straight out of the 19th century.
We've seen something like this before, when one over-ambitious politician persuaded the Slovaks that they no longer wanted to be part of Czechoslovakia. The Czechs actually happily complied: they had been pouring subsidies into the Slovak economy for a long time; they were the rich, industrialized part of the country. End result: one people much worse off, because of a lot of nationalist bullshit, pushed to further one man's ambition. Ouch.
People are so easily persuaded to 'cut their own throat'.
Petrushka pulls up the armchair, gets a bowl of peanuts and a beer. Actually, that might be too soon, It looks like this will take a while to unfold, yet.
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Post by petrushka on Mar 19, 2019 1:55:36 GMT -5
Incidentally, I can't put anyone up in the little room under the stairs - because we have no stairs in the house - for a reason. But there is a spare bedroom for visitors.
I won't have owls in the house, though, and since we don't have a fireplace, there's no access that way. (for those who don't get the references: read "Harry Potter")
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Post by isthisit on Mar 19, 2019 2:10:50 GMT -5
The thing is with Brexit, that the whole thing was based on lies and disinformation, in conjunction with an ad campaign that was conducted by a subsidiary of the ignominious Cambridge Analytics. I.M.O. Boris Johnson did the whole thing for his own advancement. And it came to bite him in the arse -- see where he is now. There is a lengthy article about it in today's Guardian, in a discussion with the guy who blew the whistle on Cambridge Analytics and Facebook. And so a lot of people who thought they had the right information, fell for a bunch of lies and voted for Brexit. Now they stand at the brink of a severe collapse of the English economy. European and Japanese car makers are pulling their factories out of England, financial institutions, banks, are closing their London offices to relocate to the continent ... this is going to HURT. People in Britain are stockpiling medication because they expect there will be shortages. Ironically, I cannot totally deny the tiniest little bit of Schadenfreude. I was still living in the EU when Britain joined. They joined soooo half-heartedly. They wanted special treatment over this, they wanted special treatment over that, they did not want to comply with this, that, and the other .... I remember thinking at the time 'why not just walk away from this'? Britain was just going to be the dead albatross around the EU's neck. Heh. It went much better than expected, until Boris Johnson and Farrage came around - one over-ambitious politician who had nobody's interests at heart but his own power grab, and one whack-job nationalist stick up the arse twit straight out of the 19th century. We've seen something like this before, when one over-ambitious politician persuaded the Slovaks that they no longer wanted to be part of Czechoslovakia. The Czechs actually happily complied: they had been pouring subsidies into the Slovak economy for a long time; they were the rich, industrialized part of the country. End result: one people much worse off, because of a lot of nationalist bullshit, pushed to further one man's ambition. Ouch. People are so easily persuaded to 'cut their own throat'. Petrushka pulls up the armchair, gets a bowl of peanuts and a beer. Actually, that might be too soon, It looks like this will take a while to unfold, yet. Politics is worth avoiding in general and certainly here other than to make a non-political statement of ‘what a monumental dog’s breakfast we have made of this, get a bloody grip every last one of you’. But I must reply here. You make some fair points, however what you will not be able to appreciate and of course The Guardian would never inform you about is the influence of the lived experience. During the ridiculous times in the run up to the referendum everyone I am aware of saw all of the daft adverts, stupid predictions and other nonsense for what it was... stupid nonsense- Both sides arrogantly seemed unaware folks are just not that easy to fool. The overwhelming majority of folks I am aware of voted in an informed way which reflected their views- people who dislike this fact choose to interpret this as ‘misinformation’. The simple fact is there are both advantages and disadvantages and that is what the result reflected. It would be interesting to see outcomes in other EU nations if they had the bottle for a choice on this.... which of course has never been offered to anyone in the EU, ever. |
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Post by lessingham on Mar 20, 2019 12:22:26 GMT -5
Let us recap. We are scheduled to leave om March 29th unless we have a deal. Parliament voted against the deal. They then voted against leaving on March 29th. They only people who can extend the deadline are the EU, not Parliament. Paliament want another deal, The EU say there is no other deal and will not negotiate another one. This deal took 2 years to cobble together, Parliament want another one to be ready in 10 days.
So, our Parliament rejected a negotiated deal and have nothing to replace it. They voted not to leave on March 29th,but the EU refused the extension.
We are offered another referendum, which will take months to organise and again, we crash out in 10 days.
We have been right royally screwed over.
Now, who wants their bikes cleaned and oiled for a sleeping place in their garage?
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