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Post by lwoetin on May 23, 2021 1:52:41 GMT -5
I'm working with this young female and in her email signature she has her name and title, and at the bottom it says: Preferred pronouns: she/her/hers. OK, what else did you think I was going to call you?? She looks and sounds feminine. Do the pronouns suggest something unexpected about her gender? Maybe it's just because of her name which can be for either sex so she wants people to know she is female.
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Post by worksforme2 on May 23, 2021 5:39:19 GMT -5
Perhaps you should just ask her what she is trying to communicate....
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Post by northstarmom on May 23, 2021 10:22:42 GMT -5
A lot of people now are including their pronouns. Just because a person appears to be a man or woman doesn’t mean that’s how they identify. I know people who identify as non-binary (genderless) even though they look like women or men. Their pronouns are “they” “them.” I’m happy to use whatever pronouns people choose for themselves. Many people whose appearance matches their gender also will include their preferred pronouns so as to support transgender and non binary people whose gender identification is not obvious. I’ve been taking a lot of online improv classes and it’s normal for the instructors and students to put their pronouns by their names on zoom.
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Post by lessingham on May 24, 2021 4:13:40 GMT -5
Some companies are asking staff to include their preferred pronouns so maybe it is entering general correspondence?
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Post by mirrororchid on May 25, 2021 20:30:03 GMT -5
A lot of people now are including their pronouns. Just because a person appears to be a man or woman doesn’t mean that’s how they identify. I know people who identify as non-binary (genderless) even though they look like women or men. Their pronouns are “they” “them.” I’m happy to use whatever pronouns people choose for themselves. Many people whose appearance matches their gender also will include their preferred pronouns so as to support transgender and non binary people whose gender identification is not obvious. I’ve been taking a lot of online improv classes and it’s normal for the instructors and students to put their pronouns by their names on zoom. Nailed it. Folks may wish to also be aware of "ze/zir". These are for apparent men and women who don't identify with their apparent sex. (non-binary) I dislike the use of "they/them" for non-binary folk, but not because I'm transphobic. These are already plural pronouns with established meaning. Why muddy them with multiple meanings, doesn't English suffer from that enough as it is? I hope ze/zir phases these preferred plural pronouns out. The whole mandatory acknowledgement of our sexuality in our terms of he, she, his, hers, him, her, Mr., Ms. Miss, Mrs....It doesn't actually serve much of a function. I think the world might keep spinning if we were all ze/zir, Mx. (the non-binary Mr./Ms.), also M, but a pronoun that says, "I'm biologically male in both mind and body and utterly okay with it". Hey, whatever. If it's important for you to declare that, knock yourself out. But if ze/zir is for those deliberately ambiguous, maybe another will come along, say...Zhe/Zhir that means, "Why the hell does it matter? We're buying/selling a car."
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Post by worksforme2 on May 26, 2021 8:00:57 GMT -5
Legos new genderless bricks. No male or female connectors ....Perfect for the new non-Binary and for those who identify as some- thing else.... Attachments:
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Post by worksforme2 on May 29, 2021 12:21:45 GMT -5
Man who identifies as an 8yr. old won the game for his teammates with a crushing homerun in a T-Ball championship...
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Post by mirrororchid on Jun 2, 2021 5:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by worksforme2 on Jun 2, 2021 16:45:06 GMT -5
Actually no to the reference....I am just getting a dig in at the woke and liberal crowd who actually believe there is no difference in gender capabilities, that you are what you identify to be. I am a firm believer in fairness, and that goes for sports. Males should not be allowed to compete against females in athletics. It isn't fair to the females. I am not saying there aren't women who are faster or stronger or more talented in a sport than most men. But side by side with their male counter parts I think we all know the likely outcome of a contest. If trans individuals wish to compete athletically it should be against the same male or female genes. It seems to me the axiom of how you play the game is especially relevant here.
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Post by northstarmom on Jun 3, 2021 7:54:01 GMT -5
I have several trans friends. The emotional pain they have gone through is unimaginable to me. I am grateful that I have always felt like the gender I am biologically. I don’t find the subject of being transgender something to joke about.
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Post by mirrororchid on Jun 4, 2021 6:44:55 GMT -5
I have several trans friends. The emotional pain they have gone through is unimaginable to me. I am grateful that I have always felt like the gender I am biologically. I don’t find the subject of being transgender something to joke about. Transcript from the podcast "Bodies: Changing Shape" www.dropbox.com/s/sp44n3d4u6xz6dt/Bodies_Season-2_Episode-7_Transcript.pdf?dl=0": In the spring of 2014, I was 23 years old. I had just moved to San
Francisco for my first real job. Things were good. And then, all of a sudden, I stopped
eating.
I became obsessed with counting calories. I didn’t let myself eat more than 5 or 600 a
day. A banana for breakfast, a salad for lunch, steamed broccoli for dinner.
If I had a meal that felt unhealthy, I would make myself throw up afterwards.
I wasn’t sure why I wasn’t letting myself eat. It wasn’t that I wanted to look different. It
was more like I wanted my body to feel different.
I wanted parts of my body to disappear. When I pulled on my jeans, I did it quickly,
trying to avoid touching the curve of my hips. In the shower, when I ran the wash cloth
over my body, I tried to turn my brain off when I cleaned my chest"The whole podcast is horrific and a worthwhile listen. Being trans is a nightmare. Your body growing body parts you instinctively know don't belong there. Body parts you don't want get bigger. When men take certain medicine, or gain weight, the growth of breasts on their chest can be deeply troubling. We sympathize with these people. Yet we insist transmen should ignore their revulsion because it's "natural" (because being cis comes so easily to almost everyone)? Misotransists seem to universally paint sexual identification as a whimsical choice much as they did/do homosexuality. As if one day gay men (lesbians don't seem to receive the same level of malevolence, for some reason) decide for themselves, "My goodness godfrey! I do feel like upsetting the apple cart today and loving men instead of women despite the avalanche of obstacles, penalties, and ostracism I'll get for life!" That mostly seems to be fading away. Recognition has seeped in that few (if any?) choose to adopt roles reviled by society. Being in the closet was a sign of shame. The "Pride" movement was a antonymic rebellion. The ultimate victory has been indifference. The Misotransia that is being enjoyed by all the mumbling, seething misohomists is following the same path. There is no "Trans Pride" this time. No in-your-face counter-hostility. Perhaps this is due to strength in numbers? About 5% of the population is homosexual. The trans population is so small it poses no threat, nor is it an economic force to engage. Hostility towards small groups remains easy. They don't have backup. This go-around, the LGBTQ community is circling their wagons and those of us indifferent to homosexuals are finding it easy to ignore transsexuality (in a good way). The misotransists demonize transpeople with fantastic stories of masquerading straight rapists as if they are not just common but the expected norm. Laws get passed relying on these caracitures of these people stuck with a mindset they did not choose any more than homosexuals. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The people that do not recognize the obvious parallels will look upon an evolving society with flummoxed wonder as their allies drop away and they stand alone, voluntarily silenced with their cis-straight minds that they convince themselves everyone has but some people enjoy "immoral" choices just for fun. The misotransists aren't trolling liberals. They're selecting a group unlike themselves, so small in number that they fear defending themselves, and deliberately hurting them. Most of the time, when a strong person or group abuses a clearly weaker one, there is widespread contempt for the ones that needlessly attack. I don't see this ending differently and one has to wonder which side of history misotransists think they will end up on and have to live with as their history stays with them. Gay people are typically only mocked and abused in the most economically depressed, culturally backwater parts of the country. How will transexuals be different? Why are they to be relentlessly, endlessly tortured for changing their own bodies? Something no self-secure cis straight man should give two hoot about. Want to be a woman? Who cares? I suspect most misotransists don't even see the transparent historical analogy.
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Post by lwoetin on Jun 5, 2021 3:16:31 GMT -5
I have not had a chance to see her and ask about her preferred pronouns. From reading your posts, I gather it seems fine to ask. I was just curious since I haven't seen anyone at work doing that. I would be surprised if she is a transsexual. I bet she is just supporting the cause. Elliot (Ellen) Page has been on the news lately and it just got me thinking. A year ago I was looking for movies with Alicia Vikander and checked out Danish Girl which turned out to be about the first incidence of a transsexual operation. Vikander was hot. And Eddie Redmayne who played the transsexual was very impressive and the movie was excellent. Watching videos is more fun than not having sex. .
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Post by jerri on Jun 9, 2021 1:58:18 GMT -5
Actually no to the reference....I am just getting a dig in at the woke and liberal crowd who actually believe there is no difference in gender capabilities, that you are what you identify to be. I am a firm believer in fairness, and that goes for sports. Males should not be allowed to compete against females in athletics. It isn't fair to the females. I am not saying there aren't women who are faster or stronger or more talented in a sport than most men. But side by side with their male counter parts I think we all know the likely outcome of a contest. If trans individuals wish to compete athletically it should be against the same male or female genes. It seems to me the axiom of how you play the game is especially relevant here. The bigger problem for me when I was going to state championship track was amazon women taking/boosting growth hormone with their parents encouragement. Where there's competition there will be cheating. I wouldn't let my kid on the field with other ladies! I doubt he would want to be on the field with the shame queens!
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Post by catlover on Jun 9, 2021 7:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by catlover on Jul 3, 2021 15:21:11 GMT -5
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