When you are the rejected partner
Jan 31, 2023 18:13:57 GMT -5
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When You Are The Rejected Partner, It May Keep You In A Limerent Stage
Samantha Rodman Whiten — January 28, 20231
Interestingly, the term “limerence” has come back in style. This term can be found in the 1979 book Love and Limerence by Dorothy Tennov. Limerence is “first and foremost a condition of cognitive obsession” about an often unrequited love interest (33). When it is reciprocated, you can feel “euphoria” (46).
She discusses that this state resolves after a few months or years (meaning it is equivalent to honeymoon stage timing) OR can continue indefinitely if you remain in a state of uncertainty about whether the “limerent object” loves you back.
For the purposes of the largely married, monogamous audience of my blog, it is interesting to think about how sexual rejection may keep partners in a consistently limerent state, which is largely the same thing as preoccupied attachment.
Overall, within monogamy, women’s sex drive generally decreases, as discussed here and all over my blog. Desire moves from spontaneous to responsive for the majority of women after the honeymoon stage, even high libido ones.
I discuss this more in this podcast episode as well. Some women though maintain spontaneous desire for much longer than the 1.5-3 years of the honeymoon phase, even beyond accounting for the effect of age, perimenopause, kids, natural variability between women, and so forth.
These women are often those who have low libido partners who are constantly rejecting them, thus keeping them in a limerent, obsessional stage where they are consumed with fantasies of having their affection returned.
Generally, it is not as common for men to sexually reject women as vice versa, as males have higher libidos, but women who are the higher drive partner are about a third of the women I see (and are common in other sex therapists’ offices as well, like Michele Weiner Davis).
When men do reject their wives for sex, it can be even more devastating than the converse situation, as it feels “unnatural” and is never even discussed in popular media as a possibility. I write about this here.
Limerence, or infatuation, is a version of obsessional anxiety largely focused on getting a person to love you back. When men reject their wives, I have seen the wives respond with a high level of spontaneous desire, or at the very least, an obsession centered on making their husbands respond to their advances.
It is like these women’s brains remain in a bad, attachment-panicked version of the honeymoon stage forever, because they never get “proof” that they are desirable to their husbands, and therefore, they continue to experience spontaneous desire.
I have seen a similar thing happen to men who are always rejected and to people married to avoidant partners.
You become obsessed with getting the person to love you back, so your brain never moves out of the limerent/honeymoon stage, but it is not a wonderful and close honeymoon stage but one that centers around anxiety and feeling rejected.
Sex drive can be artificially inflated in these situations. Men trained in the “pickup artist” community try to do this to their wives by “inspiring dread,” an unethical practice that I discuss here.
Within monogamy, the best case scenario is a mutually loving sexual and emotional relationship where even if the woman doesn’t get aroused at the very thought of the man anymore, she associates him with positive physical and emotional experiences and therefore looks forward to sex and even initiates it.
This is far more emotionally healthy than a woman who feels anxiety, fear, resentment, and also spontaneous desire because she can never fully relax into a reciprocal and secure relationship.
If you think that a man who constantly rejects you either sexually or emotionally is “the one” because you always feel a high level of desire for him (along with your anxiety and insecurity), this may be far from the truth.
Instead, you are never able to fully relax with him so your brain keeps you in the limerence phase. You are preventing yourself from getting into a truly loving partnership because you are attracted to and remain with people who reject you, like I discuss here.
Eventually, as you mature and grow in confidence and age, you will likely leave this man and regret that you wasted so much time on him. I discuss this for both genders here.
Therapy can help if you are obsessed with a person who continuously rejects you sexually or emotionally.
This is not a healthy stage and is almost always related to an upbringing where you did not get your needs met, which is now a familiar feeling for you on a subconscious level.
As you identify the early life experiences that set you on a path where only rejecting people appeal to you, they often seem much less appealing.
I have worked with clients who truly fall out of limerence/infatuation with a partner when they can objectively look in and view this partner for what they are: someone who is avoidant, rejecting and will never be capable of returning love.
If this post spoke to you, the key takeaway to introspect about is: Don’t mistake high desire for a rejecting person for healthy love. Instead, focus on figuring out why you are attracted to people who tend to hurt you!
When You Are The Rejected Partner, It May Keep You In A Limerent Stage
Samantha Rodman Whiten — January 28, 20231
Interestingly, the term “limerence” has come back in style. This term can be found in the 1979 book Love and Limerence by Dorothy Tennov. Limerence is “first and foremost a condition of cognitive obsession” about an often unrequited love interest (33). When it is reciprocated, you can feel “euphoria” (46).
She discusses that this state resolves after a few months or years (meaning it is equivalent to honeymoon stage timing) OR can continue indefinitely if you remain in a state of uncertainty about whether the “limerent object” loves you back.
For the purposes of the largely married, monogamous audience of my blog, it is interesting to think about how sexual rejection may keep partners in a consistently limerent state, which is largely the same thing as preoccupied attachment.
Overall, within monogamy, women’s sex drive generally decreases, as discussed here and all over my blog. Desire moves from spontaneous to responsive for the majority of women after the honeymoon stage, even high libido ones.
I discuss this more in this podcast episode as well. Some women though maintain spontaneous desire for much longer than the 1.5-3 years of the honeymoon phase, even beyond accounting for the effect of age, perimenopause, kids, natural variability between women, and so forth.
These women are often those who have low libido partners who are constantly rejecting them, thus keeping them in a limerent, obsessional stage where they are consumed with fantasies of having their affection returned.
Generally, it is not as common for men to sexually reject women as vice versa, as males have higher libidos, but women who are the higher drive partner are about a third of the women I see (and are common in other sex therapists’ offices as well, like Michele Weiner Davis).
When men do reject their wives for sex, it can be even more devastating than the converse situation, as it feels “unnatural” and is never even discussed in popular media as a possibility. I write about this here.
Limerence, or infatuation, is a version of obsessional anxiety largely focused on getting a person to love you back. When men reject their wives, I have seen the wives respond with a high level of spontaneous desire, or at the very least, an obsession centered on making their husbands respond to their advances.
It is like these women’s brains remain in a bad, attachment-panicked version of the honeymoon stage forever, because they never get “proof” that they are desirable to their husbands, and therefore, they continue to experience spontaneous desire.
I have seen a similar thing happen to men who are always rejected and to people married to avoidant partners.
You become obsessed with getting the person to love you back, so your brain never moves out of the limerent/honeymoon stage, but it is not a wonderful and close honeymoon stage but one that centers around anxiety and feeling rejected.
Sex drive can be artificially inflated in these situations. Men trained in the “pickup artist” community try to do this to their wives by “inspiring dread,” an unethical practice that I discuss here.
Within monogamy, the best case scenario is a mutually loving sexual and emotional relationship where even if the woman doesn’t get aroused at the very thought of the man anymore, she associates him with positive physical and emotional experiences and therefore looks forward to sex and even initiates it.
This is far more emotionally healthy than a woman who feels anxiety, fear, resentment, and also spontaneous desire because she can never fully relax into a reciprocal and secure relationship.
If you think that a man who constantly rejects you either sexually or emotionally is “the one” because you always feel a high level of desire for him (along with your anxiety and insecurity), this may be far from the truth.
Instead, you are never able to fully relax with him so your brain keeps you in the limerence phase. You are preventing yourself from getting into a truly loving partnership because you are attracted to and remain with people who reject you, like I discuss here.
Eventually, as you mature and grow in confidence and age, you will likely leave this man and regret that you wasted so much time on him. I discuss this for both genders here.
Therapy can help if you are obsessed with a person who continuously rejects you sexually or emotionally.
This is not a healthy stage and is almost always related to an upbringing where you did not get your needs met, which is now a familiar feeling for you on a subconscious level.
As you identify the early life experiences that set you on a path where only rejecting people appeal to you, they often seem much less appealing.
I have worked with clients who truly fall out of limerence/infatuation with a partner when they can objectively look in and view this partner for what they are: someone who is avoidant, rejecting and will never be capable of returning love.
If this post spoke to you, the key takeaway to introspect about is: Don’t mistake high desire for a rejecting person for healthy love. Instead, focus on figuring out why you are attracted to people who tend to hurt you!
