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Post by bballgirl on Feb 2, 2017 7:55:56 GMT -5
Welcome sarah1976 I'm sorry you have found yourself here but it's a good support group. It's good that you have set a timetable and deadline for yourself. Continue to focus on yourself and plan your exit strategy in case you choose to execute it come June. Talk to friends and family about your situation so that you get support and maybe help with the exit strategy. Divorce isn't the end of the world but wasting decades of your life is a shame so get out if things don't get better, which is not likely, people don't change and men that don't like sex with a beautiful woman have something seriously wrong with them. Don't tolerate that you deserve better.
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Post by Dan on Feb 2, 2017 9:21:47 GMT -5
So, I found this place and here I am with a deadline and I just feel dead inside.... Wow, Sarah -- what a story. Sorry for all your pain... but it sounds like it is dawning on you what this marriage is doing to you. And as you are slowly absorbing: it ain't good. One quick comment: please IGNORE the appearance of other people's happy lives on Facebook! Of course everyone posts only their happy moments... but you are 100% aware of all your own unhappy moments. So the comparison of your REAL life to someone else's FACEBOOK life will almost always look like your life is worse. It sounds like you are becoming aware of the steps you need to take. We will be here to encourage you when you need us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 10:56:08 GMT -5
Good to see you here, Sarah1976. This is a club that no one wants to be part of, but we are all very supportive.
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Post by nancyb on Feb 2, 2017 18:38:45 GMT -5
Welcome to ILIASM forum Sarah1976. 
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Post by cavu on Feb 2, 2017 21:13:53 GMT -5
Hello! I've been a lurker here since November and have read many amazing posts. Today, I finally submit my own. Here goes.....I've been married for 17 years and the marriage has been sexless since the engagement. I know, I know, the signs were there. For the first few years I thought that maybe it was a phase or, maybe, life sometimes just gets in the way. I hoped that things would get better, I also tried to not pressure her for intimacy thinking that everybody at one time or another needs some space. However, I travel a lot for work - sometimes for 2, 3, 4, or 5 days at a time. And, I always looked forward to coming home. I missed my W and couldn't wait to show her how much. To me physical intimacy is important communication much like emotional intimacy. But, most of the evenings I was home were spent with her escaping into TV shows or endless surfing the latest FB posts. Hindsight is always 20/20. I should've been more direct in saying what I needed. Unfortunately, looking back, whenever I brought up our lack of sex life she just said "sometimes she gets her blinders on" which was her way of saying life distracted her. Years went by. Fast forward to last summer when I hit rock bottom. I told my W that I was really hurting. I felt crushed, rejected and unattractive. Her response was less than empathetic. Last October, I told her that I was lonely and got the sarcastic response of "just how much sex do you need?". Apparently once every other month is too much. I was floored. Last week we had an overnight getaway planned for the two of us. The day we were leaving she said she wanted to get on FB and give her two cents on the current political climate. Well, imagine an overnight where instead of reconnecting with your spouse at a romantic lodge, she is reading Twitter and FB to see what the responses were to her thoughts. Upon returning home a light bulb came on. I realized that no matter what I do, I can't save the marriage by myself. You can't make someone care about you, desire you or want to have sex with you. They either do or they don't. The counselor we've been seeing for the last eight months told me that "I'm getting all I'm going to get from her". That was really eye opening. All this has led me to this week where I finally decided that I've had enough. Wow! Writing this was tougher than I thought. More emotions were coming out through the keyboard then I had anticipated. Anyway, I appreciate everybody's time and thank you for listening!
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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 2, 2017 21:30:38 GMT -5
Hello! I've been a lurker here since November and have read many amazing posts. Today, I finally submit my own. Here goes.....I've been married for 17 years and the marriage has been sexless since the engagement. I know, I know, the signs were there. For the first few years I thought that maybe it was a phase or, maybe, life sometimes just gets in the way. I hoped that things would get better, I also tried to not pressure her for intimacy thinking that everybody at one time or another needs some space. However, I travel a lot for work - sometimes for 2, 3, 4, or 5 days at a time. And, I always looked forward to coming home. I missed my W and couldn't wait to show her how much. To me physical intimacy is important communication much like emotional intimacy. But, most of the evenings I was home were spent with her escaping into TV shows or endless surfing the latest FB posts. Hindsight is always 20/20. I should've been more direct in saying what I needed. Unfortunately, looking back, whenever I brought up our lack of sex life she just said "sometimes she gets her blinders on" which was her way of saying life distracted her. Years went by. Fast forward to last summer when I hit rock bottom. I told my W that I was really hurting. I felt crushed, rejected and unattractive. Her response was less than empathetic. Last October, I told her that I was lonely and got the sarcastic response of "just how much sex do you need?". Apparently once every other month is too much. I was floored. Last week we had an overnight getaway planned for the two of us. The day we were leaving she said she wanted to get on FB and give her two cents on the current political climate. Well, imagine an overnight where instead of reconnecting with your spouse at a romantic lodge, she is reading Twitter and FB to see what the responses were to her thoughts. Upon returning home a light bulb came on. I realized that no matter what I do, I can't save the marriage by myself. You can't make someone care about you, desire you or want to have sex with you. They either do or they don't. The counselor we've been seeing for the last eight months told me that "I'm getting all I'm going to get from her". That was really eye opening. All this has led me to this week where I finally decided that I've had enough. Wow! Writing this was tougher than I thought. More emotions were coming out through the keyboard then I had anticipated. Anyway, I appreciate everybody's time and thank you for listening! shrink4men.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/social-media-platforms-narcissists-borderlines-and-histrionics-the-lure-of-blogs-facebook-and-myspace/Welcome, and thanks for sharing! (another me too, is always helpful) Here is an article that will help define what you have been a victim of. shrink4men has about 150 other articles and videos that you could find helpful.
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Post by bballgirl on Feb 3, 2017 10:21:55 GMT -5
cavu sorry you are here and have been in a SM. We are a great support group and i hope it will help you figure out the rest of your life and what you want for yourself. So you are in counseling and therapy with your wife and i think sometimes the spouse that is low libido and happy enough with the marriage sees counseling and a pacifier to keep the high libido spouse on the hook and in the marriage. I'm not saying this is your case but it's my jaded view sometimes. I also see the benefit of counseling if both parties are actively engaged in the process and working on themselves to grow together in the marriage and not further apart. With that said, my knee jerk reaction to your post is to tell your wife if she doesn't figure her shit out then you are done with the marriage. Whether you mean it or not just say it. Tell her you need sex this many times in one month and she needs to learn to enjoy doing x,y, and z. If that's what you want for yourself. Her reaction will be very telling. For me my H didn't like giving oral sex. For twenty years I thought all men didn't like it, I was so naive. So in the end it told me he was not compatible with me and any man that doesn't like giving oral sex will not be in Bballgirl's bed. Know what you want for yourself and go after it. She's either with you or against you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 11:14:36 GMT -5
Hello lovely people, I am Teer for purposes of this forum and ILIASM. I am 35 and have been married for 7 years now. We were off to a slow start anyway since she was anxious after we got married for reasons I have never understood. She would never make any efforts really to look attractive to me and after I brought it up, rather grudgingly, she got herself some tasteful nightclothes but that barely lasted. She was back to dressing as if she was a truck driver. Somewhere along the way, after a lot of frustrated nights, I gave up expecting anything really. I don't know where I stand and what the future holds. But there.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:08:37 GMT -5
Hello lovely people, I am Teer for purposes of this forum and ILIASM. I am 35 and have been married for 7 years now. We were off to a slow start anyway since she was anxious after we got married for reasons I have never understood. She would never make any efforts really to look attractive to me and after I brought it up, rather grudgingly, she got herself some tasteful nightclothes but that barely lasted. She was back to dressing as if she was a truck driver. Somewhere along the way, after a lot of frustrated nights, I gave up expecting anything really. I don't know where I stand and what the future holds. But there..... I am sorry for your situation Teer. It is a terrible place to be. You will find people here who are still trying to cope, some that have give up hope, and some that have jumped off the boat (Sorry, couldn't think of a better word ending with "ope"). Anyway, try to remember that your need for sex is just as importand as your wife's needs for anything else. You do matter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:10:50 GMT -5
Hello lovely people, I am Teer for purposes of this forum and ILIASM. I am 35 and have been married for 7 years now. We were off to a slow start anyway since she was anxious after we got married for reasons I have never understood. She would never make any efforts really to look attractive to me and after I brought it up, rather grudgingly, she got herself some tasteful nightclothes but that barely lasted. She was back to dressing as if she was a truck driver. Somewhere along the way, after a lot of frustrated nights, I gave up expecting anything really. I don't know where I stand and what the future holds. But there..... I am sorry for your situation Teer. It is a terrible place to be. You will find people here who are still trying to cope, some that have give up hope, and some that have jumped off the boat (Sorry, couldn't think of a better word ending with "ope"). Anyway, try to remember that your need for sex is just as importand as your wife's needs for anything else. You do matter. Thank you very much Flash!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 12:31:07 GMT -5
Hi everybody Danforth (Dan) here. Been married to my wife for 20 years, the last 4-5 years have been sexless. I believe the underlying cause to these years of abstinence from sex is......it started early in the marriage my wife accusing me of having affairs, since I travel the country for business. These were lies but, the more I dismissed her accusation the more she became obsessed with me having affairs and stalking me on trips, call x lovers for years ago questioning them if we were involved and the list of embarrassments when on. Well about 4 1/2 years ago I caught my wife cheating with an x lover from 25+ years ago. Given the fact our marriage is intwined with real estate holdings, business ventures and of coarse children. We sought out counseling and everything seemed to be back on track. Although, I felt strange I never gotten sense of remorse or she was sorry for the disruption her affair had on us and the kids - although they are grown. Then a few months later the whine and the complaints started when I would make sexual advances. Some excuses were and still are innovated. I find it hard to believe after all the finger pointing to my marital fidelities she went and did that and I'm the on getting punished. Go figure.... I am so sorry Dan. Unfortunately, some people do tend to project their flaws onto others. So do you know if she has stopped fucking other men?
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Post by cavu on Feb 4, 2017 22:52:14 GMT -5
Hello! I've been a lurker here since November and have read many amazing posts. Today, I finally submit my own. Here goes.....I've been married for 17 years and the marriage has been sexless since the engagement. I know, I know, the signs were there. For the first few years I thought that maybe it was a phase or, maybe, life sometimes just gets in the way. I hoped that things would get better, I also tried to not pressure her for intimacy thinking that everybody at one time or another needs some space. However, I travel a lot for work - sometimes for 2, 3, 4, or 5 days at a time. And, I always looked forward to coming home. I missed my W and couldn't wait to show her how much. To me physical intimacy is important communication much like emotional intimacy. But, most of the evenings I was home were spent with her escaping into TV shows or endless surfing the latest FB posts. Hindsight is always 20/20. I should've been more direct in saying what I needed. Unfortunately, looking back, whenever I brought up our lack of sex life she just said "sometimes she gets her blinders on" which was her way of saying life distracted her. Years went by. Fast forward to last summer when I hit rock bottom. I told my W that I was really hurting. I felt crushed, rejected and unattractive. Her response was less than empathetic. Last October, I told her that I was lonely and got the sarcastic response of "just how much sex do you need?". Apparently once every other month is too much. I was floored. Last week we had an overnight getaway planned for the two of us. The day we were leaving she said she wanted to get on FB and give her two cents on the current political climate. Well, imagine an overnight where instead of reconnecting with your spouse at a romantic lodge, she is reading Twitter and FB to see what the responses were to her thoughts. Upon returning home a light bulb came on. I realized that no matter what I do, I can't save the marriage by myself. You can't make someone care about you, desire you or want to have sex with you. They either do or they don't. The counselor we've been seeing for the last eight months told me that "I'm getting all I'm going to get from her". That was really eye opening. All this has led me to this week where I finally decided that I've had enough. Wow! Writing this was tougher than I thought. More emotions were coming out through the keyboard then I had anticipated. Anyway, I appreciate everybody's time and thank you for listening! shrink4men.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/social-media-platforms-narcissists-borderlines-and-histrionics-the-lure-of-blogs-facebook-and-myspace/Welcome, and thanks for sharing! (another me too, is always helpful) Here is an article that will help define what you have been a victim of. shrink4men has about 150 other articles and videos that you could find helpful. greatcoastal, thank you for the link! That is quite a read and truly eye opening.
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Post by cavu on Feb 4, 2017 22:55:59 GMT -5
cavu sorry you are here and have been in a SM. We are a great support group and i hope it will help you figure out the rest of your life and what you want for yourself. So you are in counseling and therapy with your wife and i think sometimes the spouse that is low libido and happy enough with the marriage sees counseling and a pacifier to keep the high libido spouse on the hook and in the marriage. I'm not saying this is your case but it's my jaded view sometimes. I also see the benefit of counseling if both parties are actively engaged in the process and working on themselves to grow together in the marriage and not further apart. With that said, my knee jerk reaction to your post is to tell your wife if she doesn't figure her shit out then you are done with the marriage. Whether you mean it or not just say it. Tell her you need sex this many times in one month and she needs to learn to enjoy doing x,y, and z. If that's what you want for yourself. Her reaction will be very telling. For me my H didn't like giving oral sex. For twenty years I thought all men didn't like it, I was so naive. So in the end it told me he was not compatible with me and any man that doesn't like giving oral sex will not be in Bballgirl's bed. Know what you want for yourself and go after it. She's either with you or against you. "Tell her you need sex this many times in one month and she needs to learn to enjoy doing x,y, and z." Funny you mentioned that. The therapist tried to compromise the frequency of sex between the two of us to once a week. W blew it off. No pun intended!
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Post by bballgirl on Feb 4, 2017 23:15:32 GMT -5
cavu sorry you are here and have been in a SM. We are a great support group and i hope it will help you figure out the rest of your life and what you want for yourself. So you are in counseling and therapy with your wife and i think sometimes the spouse that is low libido and happy enough with the marriage sees counseling and a pacifier to keep the high libido spouse on the hook and in the marriage. I'm not saying this is your case but it's my jaded view sometimes. I also see the benefit of counseling if both parties are actively engaged in the process and working on themselves to grow together in the marriage and not further apart. With that said, my knee jerk reaction to your post is to tell your wife if she doesn't figure her shit out then you are done with the marriage. Whether you mean it or not just say it. Tell her you need sex this many times in one month and she needs to learn to enjoy doing x,y, and z. If that's what you want for yourself. Her reaction will be very telling. For me my H didn't like giving oral sex. For twenty years I thought all men didn't like it, I was so naive. So in the end it told me he was not compatible with me and any man that doesn't like giving oral sex will not be in Bballgirl's bed. Know what you want for yourself and go after it. She's either with you or against you. "Tell her you need sex this many times in one month and she needs to learn to enjoy doing x,y, and z." Funny you mentioned that. The therapist tried to compromise the frequency of sex between the two of us to once a week. W blew it off. No pun intended! Well she needs to be held accountable to want to make the marriage work otherwise you are wasting your money with a therapist. She blew off once a week. That's awful and sends a clear message. I would call her out. If I were the therapist I would have her commit abd follow through otherwise what's the point. The other side of the coin is she has to want sex with you. She has to want to save the marriage. If she is just going through the motions that's no fun. When my son was ten I took him every week for batting lessons to help him with his hitting. He applied nothing he did in the batting lesson to when he was in a game and he sucked as a hitter. So I stopped the lessons. His father started back with it a few months ago, he's 3 years older and understands better the mechanics of hitting. Anyway my point if she isn't going to apply what the therapist says to improving your marriage then don't waste the money for years. Set a timetable for yourself.
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Post by greatcoastal on Feb 4, 2017 23:25:37 GMT -5
greatcoastal, thank you for the link! That is quite a read and truly eye opening. You are more than welcome! Even better than the article ,is the comments from others afterwards, and the responses from the shrink. Lots of me too's to relate to.
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