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Post by cagedtiger on Sept 14, 2016 9:47:00 GMT -5
Most other halves won't let the refused spouse go elsewhere though. X Because for most of us, it's so much more being denied than just sex- affection, emotional intimacy, validation of our worth- that the refusers are worried (usually rightly so) that if we step out, we'll realize everything else we've been denied, and never step back in. At least, I'm pretty sure that's the situation in my case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 22:23:30 GMT -5
If she'll let you, you should x No she told me 20 years ago that if I looked for sex outside the marriage I would be out on my ass. When therapy failed I suggested an open marriage but she refused. I feel bad about sneaking around behind her back because she has stuck with me all these years despite there being no sex.
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Post by baza on Sept 14, 2016 22:57:59 GMT -5
"If" you want to do this, there is nothing directly stopping you. It is a perfectly legitimate choice to pursue. But, like all choices, consequences tend to ensue. - Maybe your missus would choose to end the marriage as she threatened 20 years ago, and maybe not. Would that necessarily be such a bad outcome (?) It hardly reads as being such a great dynamic. - It's a judgement call, for you alone to make. - Choice A Outsource, and get sex, possibly collapse the marriage leaving you to keep pursuing further sex as a single. Choice B Do nothing, get no sex from within, or without, the marriage. - They are both perfectly valid choices. And, whether you meant to, or whether it was an accident, or karma, or call it what you will, you have, effectively, chosen "B". And "B" s a perfectly legitimate choice. Now, you need to take ownership of that choice. Your choice, your consequence, your responsibility. Own it. Live it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 0:39:14 GMT -5
Well I will admit to stepping out once years ago. It was great but then that relationship also became sexless like all the others so I am really kidding myself. It is unfair though. I am still, after so many years and so many therapists, searching for a "cure"
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Post by baza on Sept 20, 2016 1:06:43 GMT -5
I'd agree that the situation is unfair. - That's our common denominator in here. I find it difficult to recall a story in here that has even a modicum of 'fairness' about it, whether a refused or refuser wrote it. Someone, is always getting dudded in these situations, and sometimes, both. - "Fairness" never seems to come in to it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 21:42:31 GMT -5
I think the fair thing to do is offer an open marriage or suggest they seek a sex partner outside the marriage and hope they go for it. So far mine hasn't.
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Post by baza on Sept 23, 2016 22:35:51 GMT -5
I'd agree. That would be a "fair" method of resolution. But, it relies on your spouse to (a) - agree that the present position is unfair (b) - agree that the proposed method of resolution is reasonable. And there-in is where it stalls. The big weakness is that the resolution method is solely reliant on your spouse. Now I dunno what your spouse is like, but if typical of examples seen in here time after time after time, you ain't going to get that 'approval'. - Whatever method of resolution you might adopt has to take her out of the equation. - You would have to act unilaterally, and let the cards fall where they may. - You may, or may not be prepared to do that. It's your choice.
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Post by jd on Sept 26, 2016 3:53:54 GMT -5
I am new here and just learned about ILIASM today from an online article. I am looking specifically for insight and others that have dealt with SM for one or both of these reasons: 1.) husband has very low T and sleep apnea 2.) child with medical issues The above have caused chronic stress, financial crises, and a lonely 16-year marriage full of hurt, neglect and anger. I look forward to reading your replies. Thanks, JD
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Post by baza on Sept 26, 2016 4:14:01 GMT -5
Welcome Sister jd. I'm sure you will get some replies specific to your post in respect to low T, sleep apnea, child with medical issues, chronic stress, financial crises, and a lonely 16-year marriage full of hurt, neglect and anger. Various members will have specific knowledge in regard to some of these issues. - Sometimes you can get a whole lot of value from just reading voraciously in here, picking up bits here bits there. It is unlikely (though not impossible) that another member is going to have the exact same circumstances as you and be able to handle all the areas you have mentioned. - However, just about ALL members are all too familiar with the "marriage full of hurt, neglect and anger" situation. - Welcome again, dive in would be my initial suggestion for you.
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Post by unmatched on Sept 26, 2016 4:18:48 GMT -5
I am new here and just learned about ILIASM today from an online article. I am looking specifically for insight and others that have dealt with SM for one or both of these reasons: 1.) husband has very low T and sleep apnea 2.) child with medical issues The above have caused chronic stress, financial crises, and a lonely 16-year marriage full of hurt, neglect and anger. I look forward to reading your replies. Thanks, JD Hi JD, in some ways sexless marriages are all different. Everyone comes here with a different combination of reasons and factors and their own unique 'flavour'. And in other ways they all tend to follow the same patterns. I would suggest reading as much as you can here and even which stories and which threads resonate with you. But if your marriage has little or no sex and has been this way for a long time I have to tell you the number of people who have turned that situation around is depressingly low. And the one common theme is that for you to stand any chance, BOTH partners need to be very committed. I don't know if you feel that is likely to happen for you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 9:54:10 GMT -5
I am new here and just learned about ILIASM today from an online article. I am looking specifically for insight and others that have dealt with SM for one or both of these reasons: 1.) husband has very low T and sleep apnea 2.) child with medical issues The above have caused chronic stress, financial crises, and a lonely 16-year marriage full of hurt, neglect and anger. I look forward to reading your replies. Thanks, JD Hi jd, welcome, sorry you're here. Low T is a common problem in sexless marriages, but the question is what is he doing about it? Does he want to have an intimate and satisfying sex life with you so he's doing everything he can to get those hormones in balance? Or is he using it as a perfect excuse to avoid sex? You'll read a lot about excuses here too. Let me tell you about low T too...how low is it? If it's like way down below normal ok maybe, but just speaking for myself, I am obsessed with sex, I think it's the most glorious wondrous experience you can have. So I was surprised to find that my T is low normal. You'd think it was off the charts, but it isn't. Testosterone doesn't fuel my sex drive. The need for comfort, intimacy, and everything that goes along with sex, fuels my sex drive. So I'm a little dubious when I read that a sex dud refuser uses low T as a excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 10:13:17 GMT -5
@phinheasgage:
"Hi jd, welcome, sorry you're here. Low T is a common problem in sexless marriages, but the question is what is he doing about it? Does he want to have an intimate and satisfying sex life with you so he's doing everything he can to get those hormones in balance?
Or is he using it as a perfect excuse to avoid sex?"
THIS. If the other person has any kind of health problem (either physical health or mental health) - nothing will be done about it unless HE wants to change it.
I'm speaking from personal experience.
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Post by DryCreek on Sept 26, 2016 19:14:40 GMT -5
Let me tell you about low T too...how low is it? If it's like way down below normal ok maybe, but just speaking for myself, I am obsessed with sex, I think it's the most glorious wondrous experience you can have. So I was surprised to find that my T is low normal. You'd think it was off the charts, but it isn't. Ditto. I'm also low T, and 3x a week would be a very sustainable frequency if W wasn't asexual. I hesitate to fix my levels because I'm already sexually frustrated as hell; higher sex drive would make me insane.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 23:26:11 GMT -5
Let me tell you about low T too...how low is it? If it's like way down below normal ok maybe, but just speaking for myself, I am obsessed with sex, I think it's the most glorious wondrous experience you can have. So I was surprised to find that my T is low normal. You'd think it was off the charts, but it isn't. Ditto. I'm also low T, and 3x a week would be a very sustainable frequency if W wasn't asexual. I hesitate to fix my levels because I'm already sexually frustrated as hell; higher sex drive would make me insane. I suspect you might even be happy with twice a week once you got on a regular basis. If it's two really good ones LOL. When I was in my SM I'd polish the helmet six or seven times on Saturday , and at least once or maybe twice every day, and I thought when I get out of this shithole I'm going to lose my job because all I'll do is fornicate all day everyday with maybe a break for lunch. But yeah two really nuclear roots turned out to be plenty for one week. A few days to let the cravings build up makes it all the better.
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Post by boudinMan on Sept 28, 2016 14:34:41 GMT -5
hello folks, the name is pronounced boo-dan balls and it's probably not what you think it is, unless you correctly thought of cajun food. anyway, i'm just an EP refugee, checking out the site, hoping to make some friends.
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