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Post by M2G on Dec 27, 2017 18:14:54 GMT -5
Yuletide was/is a pagan holiday, which entailed worship of older gods and nothing at all to do with the Christian concept of a devil. Yuletide was replaced by Christmastide in order to more easily assimilate the people of the agrarian areas, or heaths, into Christian worship.
Shit happened and lots of people who refused to convert, died or were wiped out. That's what religion can do, when the followers have a power agenda. Certainly the death and pograms were not following Jesus' teaching during that era.
I'm not Christian but I believe in Jesus' teachings. I like the Buddha as well as several other teachings, some of them heathen. Jesus preached peace, to love everyone as we would love ourselves. I don't think he would much appreciate strife among friends over an abbreviation of his name. Especially of a celebration that's now perverted into a commercial cash grab by so many.
I suggest we remember that we are all comrades in the same boat here, and no one was actively disparaging Jesus or Christianity, just using an abbreviation that is common and has been for all the years that most of us have lived on this planet.
Peace out.
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Post by Caris on Dec 28, 2017 0:50:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry, greatcoastal, but your choosing to falsely interpret the X in Xmas as something negative does not override my right to use it correctly, especially since Christians have been using the term Xmas for centuries. And while I have absolutely nothing against the word Christmas myself, if I would point out others that do have such a problem (you know, the groups who lost millions killed under his name since the Crusades, or the victims of Christmas pogroms) would that give them the right to insist you don't use that word? The millions killed in his name since the crusades? What millions in what groups? As for X being political. No, it’s not, greatcoastal. Xmas was used by many Christians, including myself when I was younger. I’m no longer a Christian, but I tend to use “Christmas” now. It has nothing to do with politics. It’s just an abbreviation. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 5:03:33 GMT -5
CarisThe Crusades resulted in about 1.7 million dead. The Thirty Years War killed about 8 million. The French Wars of Religion killed about 3 million. Plenty more killed in the Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions, in massacres of Jews throughout Europe in the Middle Ages, murders of heretics and more. During World War II the Ustaše in Croatia, in the name of Roman Catholicism, murdered hundreds of thousands.
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Post by brian on Dec 28, 2017 7:41:45 GMT -5
I got massage oil too! I predict mine will remain unopened until next year though.  Au contraire... Strike while the iron's hot. She gave you the gift; attempt to put it to use. Lay out a towel or two on her side of the bed and set the massage oil on it or nearby. Extend an invitation, and don't forget to turn up the thermostat / bed warmer. Maybe an extra towel to cover the area you aren't working so she doesn't get chilled. And run hot water over the oil bottle to pre-warm it. It may crash and burn, but it'd be a valiant attempt if it does. (Then again, I could be reading this all wrong and that's why I'm in the situation I am. Caveat emptor!) ETA: I should add... in full disclosure, this exact scene went down in flames for me recently; however, W hadn't just gifted me the oil. I think your odds are better sooner than later. Okay... I tried this, more or less, last night. When she came into the bedroom and noticed the setup, she hopped over the setup onto my side of the bed and said, "I appreciate the thought, but..." and then the excuses started flowing: - I'm stressed about our struggling son in college - I'm stressed about our high school freshman failing - I'm stressed about our high school senior's car troubles As she rattled these off I kept thinking to myself, "multi-month excuse #1, multi-month excuse #2, okay... that one we can remedy in a couple weeks" So... she will be "stressed" about something for months, and by then there will be other things to take their place. As predicted, the massage oil will go unused, like all of the others, for years. I'm not disappointed at all by this. I actually feel validated and am at peace with it. |
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Post by DryCreek on Dec 28, 2017 9:00:58 GMT -5
I'm not disappointed at all by this. I actually feel validated and am at peace with it. Kudos for trying. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Someone who was not grasping for excuses would realize that massage is the antidote for stress, so not the most credible avoidance technique. |
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Post by greatcoastal on Dec 28, 2017 9:43:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry, greatcoastal , but your choosing to falsely interpret the X in Xmas as something negative does not override my right to use it correctly, especially since Christians have been using the term Xmas for centuries. And while I have absolutely nothing against the word Christmas myself, if I would point out others that do have such a problem (you know, the groups who lost millions killed under his name since the Crusades, or the victims of Christmas pogroms) would that give them the right to insist you don't use that word? There is no" false interpet" at all I read your source. All of it. Your source even backs what I state. You are welcome to read it again, all of it. Stick to the issue, don't change the subject . You are sounding like my STBX with her DARVO. I said," no it is not demoralizing if used as a symbol and used in it's full context" When discussing Greek. I also pointed out that the symbol/letter X has an easy 48 other meanings. You are welcome to go to Wikipedia. I use the New International Version of the Bible, where Christ is referred to as Christ not X. I do not go to Wikipedia to read God's word. If you" have absolutely nothing against the word Christmas" than use it. Don't use it with a symbol that means Xrated movies. Is there a Greek symbol that is used as an abbreviation for your name? Do you use it? You certainly are able to write lengthy words and sentences on here without using abbreviations. Your argument holds little water with me. My name has Christ in it. Never has it been abbreviated with an X. My neighborhood, and surrounding cities, where I live have manger scenes all over in their front yards at Christmas time. You see wooden, clay, or plastic baby Jesus in a manger scene. Not a wooden or plastic "X". My city puts up big Christmas light displays in the park. You will see Christmas spelled out completely, not Xmas. Thanksgiving is 33% longer. Lets call it Xgiving. No that's not politically correct. It's "The Fall Season Festival" (even longer) My daughters teacher said" Merry Christmas, if I'm even allowed to use it". So much for rights to use words. There is a multitude of examples of things that where said or done centuries ago that are not acceptable, or legal today. I will continue to find it used intentionally to be degrading, and demoralizing. That is why I did not post my response to you. There will be those who use it and"see nothing wrong with it". Then there are others who intentionally -for political and religious reasons use it. Seasons Greetings and Happy Holidays, $$$ back to you! (keep the Christ in Christmas) On a side note- The church I attend gave out Christmas bags. In it was a ornament for the tree (with the church name on it) a box of cake mix,-to make a birthday cake for Jesus- and enough separate communions for the whole family. Along with a prayer to read to the family. I thought it was a great idea. Yet due to the tension of divorce, and my W's continuous downplaying of me taking charge of anything in our home, especially her words about "my lack of prayer" the last thing I want to do is involve her in my special day. I avoid her criticism. Sad isn't it. I look forward to next year doing things my way, alone or with my children without the controller. |
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Post by greatcoastal on Dec 28, 2017 9:54:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry, greatcoastal , but your choosing to falsely interpret the X in Xmas as something negative does not override my right to use it correctly, especially since Christians have been using the term Xmas for centuries. And while I have absolutely nothing against the word Christmas myself, if I would point out others that do have such a problem (you know, the groups who lost millions killed under his name since the Crusades, or the victims of Christmas pogroms) would that give them the right to insist you don't use that word? The millions killed in his name since the crusades? What millions in what groups? As for X being political. No, it’s not, greatcoastal . Xmas was used by many Christians, including myself when I was younger. I’m no longer a Christian, but I tend to use “Christmas” now. It has nothing to do with politics. It’s just an abbreviation. Friend you are sounding like my W. when she commits DARVO. Beginning with NO. Then having an opinion with nothing to back it but an opinion. I have also learned -from going to board and town meetings -to instantly demand " how many is many? Two people? You and yourself? Names, numbers, quotes, addresses, facts. Prove that "many" is a majority, a vast ,overwhelming, educated, majority. You don't think replacing "Merry Christmas" in public schools, courts, government buildings, the workplace, with "happy Holidays" or "seasons Greetings" has anything to do with politics? Perhaps you need to be much more open minded in your research? Then again we don't discuss politics on here. |
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Post by northstarmom on Dec 28, 2017 10:34:30 GMT -5
“You don't think replacing "Merry Christmas" in public schools, courts, government buildings, the workplace, with "happy Holidays" or "seasons Greetings" has anything to do with politics? Perhaps you need to be much more open minded in your research?”
Of course it has to do with politics and the politics of the US reflects the fact that an increasing number of people in the US are not Christian. That includes people like Buddhist me. I don’t mind when people like cashiers say, “Merryv Christmas” because like many (including a large number of Millenials, which indicates increasingly more people will share their perspective”, I celebrate it as a secular hobby. But I don’t like getting electronic greetings from business associates celebrating, “Christ’s birth.” It’s wrong for them to assume everyone shares their religion.
My Xmas eve celebration with close friends included singing “x rated” carols like, “Horney, Poriney X-Mass” and “Frosty the sniff man” (I.e, coke dealer). Xmas a group of about 30 of us — Buddhist, Jewish, atheist, agnostic and Christian had brunch at an Asian restaurant. A merry Christmas for all including some who view it as a religious holiday.
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Post by M2G on Dec 28, 2017 11:28:28 GMT -5
True story: Once in Catholic school I had a teacher who taught us that using "Xmas" was a ignorant thing to do. A couple days later as we pulled out all the Christmas stuff to decorate the house, I saw a box labeled "Xmas." I pointed out that this was (as I was told) "an ignorant thing to do" and my step-father punched me in the mouth as if he were attacking someone of his own size/weight. I was about 11 years old. True story: My wife, maybe 5 years back, was shopping in a grocery store on Christmas week. A woman next to her wished her a Merry Christmas. My wife cheerfully responded "Happy Holidays!" The woman became enraged, and demanded that my W wish her a merry Christmas. She said "No" and walked away. The woman followed, ranting and demanding and blathering about how people need to say MC - all they while with her toddler in the cart, wailing away in distress. Finally, my W ran into a group of three Jewish ladies who saw what was happening and surrounded my W - glaring pure death at this madwoman, holding ground and refusing to move or reply. Said silly bitch finally gave up and went on her way with her terrified kid. Bizarre behavior, I think all would agree, and my point is this: What kind of person, when wished well - complains about the way they were wished well? The political correctness has gone way too far on this point, on both sides. No politics but I believe you will recognize what's what and who's who: Group one says: There should be no religion in public schools, and anyone wearing a religious symbol of any kind should be punished or expelled. Group two says: There must be religion in schools, and that religion should be the one we follow. Both groups need to wake up and read the constitution. End of day: No one can be offended unless they choose to take offense.  Merry Christmas all, Happy Hanukkah (belated), happy Kwanzaa, and happy Yule too - as well as a happy New Year.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5
True story: Once in Catholic school I had a teacher who taught us that using "Xmas" was a ignorant thing to do. A couple days later as we pulled out all the Christmas stuff to decorate the house, I saw a box labeled "Xmas." I pointed out that this was (as I was told) "an ignorant thing to do" and my step-father punched me in the mouth as if he were attacking someone of his own size/weight. I was about 11 years old. True story: My wife, maybe 5 years back, was shopping in a grocery store on Christmas week. A woman next to her wished her a Merry Christmas. My wife cheerfully responded "Happy Holidays!" The woman became enraged, and demanded that my W wish her a merry Christmas. She said "No" and walked away. The woman followed, ranting and demanding and blathering about how people need to say MC - all they while with her toddler in the cart, wailing away in distress. Finally, my W ran into a group of three Jewish ladies who saw what was happening and surrounded my W - glaring pure death at this madwoman, holding ground and refusing to move or reply. Said silly bitch finally gave up and went on her way with her terrified kid. Bizarre behavior, I think all would agree, and my point is this: What kind of person, when wished well - complains about the way they were wished well? The political correctness has gone way too far on this point, on both sides. No politics but I believe you will recognize what's what and who's who: Group one says: There should be no religion in public schools, and anyone wearing a religious symbol of any kind should be punished or expelled. Group two says: There must be religion in schools, and that religion should be the one we follow. Both groups need to wake up and read the constitution. End of day: No one can be offended unless they choose to take offense. Merry Christmas all, Happy Hanukkah (belated), happy Kwanzaa, and happy Yule too - as well as a happy New Year.  So perfectly said. It reminds me of this meme, circulating for a few years:  In a nutshell, don't be ignorant, and don't be grocery-cart wielding cunty lunatic. |
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Post by jim44444 on Dec 28, 2017 15:35:01 GMT -5
I see people online but no one posting, so... What are you guys up to today? Jeez people, I had to go back to the original post to remember what this thread was about. @shynjdude, you will often see people logged in but in reality they never logged off and are off having a real life experience. I am guilty of that. So to answer the original question, on Christmas Day at that time I was sipping coffee with two daughters and a SIL while the breakfast casserole baked. The W was just stirring from her long winter's nap. The grandkids would not be arriving for two more hours so the house was quiet, the conversation was pleasant and the company was loving. |
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Post by greatcoastal on Dec 28, 2017 15:48:14 GMT -5
True story: Once in Catholic school I had a teacher who taught us that using "Xmas" was a ignorant thing to do. A couple days later as we pulled out all the Christmas stuff to decorate the house, I saw a box labeled "Xmas." I pointed out that this was (as I was told) "an ignorant thing to do" and my step-father punched me in the mouth as if he were attacking someone of his own size/weight. I was about 11 years old. True story: My wife, maybe 5 years back, was shopping in a grocery store on Christmas week. A woman next to her wished her a Merry Christmas. My wife cheerfully responded "Happy Holidays!" The woman became enraged, and demanded that my W wish her a merry Christmas. She said "No" and walked away. The woman followed, ranting and demanding and blathering about how people need to say MC - all they while with her toddler in the cart, wailing away in distress. Finally, my W ran into a group of three Jewish ladies who saw what was happening and surrounded my W - glaring pure death at this madwoman, holding ground and refusing to move or reply. Said silly bitch finally gave up and went on her way with her terrified kid. Bizarre behavior, I think all would agree, and my point is this: What kind of person, when wished well - complains about the way they were wished well? The political correctness has gone way too far on this point, on both sides. No politics but I believe you will recognize what's what and who's who: Group one says: There should be no religion in public schools, and anyone wearing a religious symbol of any kind should be punished or expelled. Group two says: There must be religion in schools, and that religion should be the one we follow. Both groups need to wake up and read the constitution. End of day: No one can be offended unless they choose to take offense. Merry Christmas all, Happy Hanukkah (belated), happy Kwanzaa, and happy Yule too - as well as a happy New Year. So perfectly said. It reminds me of this meme, circulating for a few years: In a nutshell, don't be ignorant, and don't be grocery-cart wielding cunty lunatic. Thank you for CLEARLY spelling out our differences. I use polite words with reason and examples. I disagree with others RESPECTFULLY. You revert to calling people "ignorant grocery-cart wielding cunty lunatics." I'm sure you would respect that posted after all of your posts? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 16:08:02 GMT -5
jim44444 Sounds like a nice time. Thanks for not being offended by my controversial question of what everyone was up to on December 25. 😀
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Post by wewbwb on Dec 28, 2017 16:26:08 GMT -5
Thanks for not being offended by my controversial question of what everyone was up to on December 25. 😀 Troublemaker. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 16:47:58 GMT -5
Thanks for not being offended by my controversial question of what everyone was up to on December 25. 😀 Troublemaker. I've never used a 'bad word' so much on one thread... I think @shynjdude owes us some draaanks. |
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