Xmas thread

Don't go there..... 

@m2g
I am offended by the use of the word "work" between, um, last week's holiday and New Year's.

Please be more considerate.

Who was offended by your question of what everyone was up to on December 25?  

Why do you call that question controversial?

If you cant answer it, i will answer it for you. No one was offended by your question.

You are calling it controversial, no one else.
Stop manipulating words and reversing. This is the type of behavior that will get you into a SM. This is what a refuser does. Refuses to face truth and facts by using manipulation.

"Stop manipulating words and reversing. This is the type of behavior that will get you into a SM. This is what a refuser does. Refuses to face truth and facts by using manipulation."


Really?

Because I asked you a question earlier that you didn't answer. I'll ask it again and amplify it.

By your logic, if someone is offended by a word - in your case, Xmas - that was not meant to be offensive, then it is the job of the person using the word to know how it could possibly be offensive to everyone else. Because, as far as I can tell, you were the only one offended.

Therefore, I asked, if someone is offended by the word "Christ" in "Christmas," for better reasons no less, then do they have the right to demand that you no longer use the word?

Because I have many reasons to be offended by "Christ" and "Christmas" if I was the type to take offense at mere words. After all, my people have been murdered for many centuries for no other reason than they were considered "Christ-killers."

As I briefly mentioned, there have been pogroms where my people were murdered on Christmas. Specifically.

Did you ever hear of Ecclesia and Synagoga? These are figures that can still be found in some of the great cathedrals of Europe. Wikipedia summarizes:

The two figures are shown as women, both usually young and attractive; Ecclesia is generally adorned with a crown, chalice and cross-topped staff, looking confidently forward. In contrast, Synagoga is blindfolded and drooping, carrying a broken lance (possibly an allusion to the Holy Lance that stabbed Christ) and the Tablets of the Law or Torah scrolls that may even be slipping from her hand....The medieval figures reflect the Christian belief, sometimes called Supersessionism, that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, and that Judaism as a religion was therefore made unnecessary, by its own tenets, once Christianity was established, and that all Jews should convert. ...The sculpted portal figures are generally found on the cathedrals of larger cities in northern Europe that had significant Jewish communities, especially in Germany, and apart from their theological significance, were certainly also intended to remind Jews of their place in a Christian society, by projecting "an ideal of Jewish submission within an ideally ordered Christian realm"

Supercessionism isn't a thing of the past. There are plenty that teach this today. And it is responsible for a lot of hate - today.

I can go on. My father lived among the good Christians of Poland before and during the Holocaust. He knew what real hatred was. And the Polish Christians at the time hated Jews as much as the Nazis did.

Now, I am not going to demand that you never use the word "Christ" despite the countless persecutions that generations of Jews have suffered from your people's loving ways. Because I am not the type of person who gets insulted by the use of language that is not meant to offend. Have a Merry Christmas. 

But if I was that type of person who is so easily offended, I have a hell of a lot more reason to be offended than you do over the word "Xmas." As far as I can tell, there have been no deaths, no persecutions, no mass expulsions. no rapes and no pogroms from people defending the use of the word "Xmas." 

So if I was that type of person, would you offer me the same courtesy that you demand from me not to use the word "Xmas"? 

Yes or no, please.

Can't we all just get along. We have enough crap to deal with IRL!!

Just to go back to the C*** word: Down Under it is actually an equal-opportunities gender-neutral expression.
In fact, I have heard that appellation applied to males a lot more often than to females. As far as I can tell,
the connotations are about the same in either case: a nasty, inconsiderate, bigoted or self centered person
who does not give a damn about fairness or other people's feelings.

Whereas calling someone a 'dick' or a 'dickhead' is not equal-opportunities gender-neutral.
Bloody male chauvinism at work again, I bet.

And 'bastard' can be in good spirit (what a lucky bastard you are) or ^see above^.
For what it's worth, I've even seen the C*** word used in the good spirited way.

Baz can probably expand on the topic should he care to elucidate.

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As far as the other controversial word goes, I personally spell it X-mess.
Family violence, disappointed expectations, hypocritical 'happy happy joy
joy" that often doesn't last for a whole day before descending into hostilities.
Not to mention lonely people weeping into their beer. Makes me want to throw
up.
In my world, every day, 365 days a year, should be filled with joy and good will,
not just the day 3 days after the solstice. So my best wishes go to those who managed
to do just that.

For the humour impaired: don't bother trying to start a flame war. You'll just cement
my opinion of your wits.

I’m with you. Reading this thread reminds me of a family get together, and they are at each other’s throats. It’s weird considering it’s the season of good will and all that.