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Post by choosinghappy on Jun 17, 2017 16:23:49 GMT -5
Here's my intro, some of which you already know:
I am 35, have been with H for 10 years, married for 5. We have a 2 year old. We have not had sex since the night of conception, so 3 years of forced celibacy now.
Someone previously wondered if the Madonna-Whore complex was at play here since the complete lack of sex coincides with parenthood but the truth is we have never had a good sex life. Even in the early stages of dating I could feel something was 'off' - I never felt like he truly enjoyed it and could sense almost a sort of reluctance whenever we did anything sexual. And it was always initiated by me. Even then it was infrequent and I was disappointed but I convinced myself things would get better. I should have paid attention to the red flags because things have just gotten worse through the years.
H also has very bad back problems. He has had 2 back surgeries and it has effected everything we do (and don't do). For years the excuse was that sex brought on such bad back pain that it would leave him out of commission for the next day+. And it was true - it did, even when I did all the "work". But his 2nd surgery finally worked to relieve the pain and he also lost about 40 pounds, also helping the pain. But the sex did not increase.
Another large issue contributing to our sexual dysfunction was 3 years of infertility. Sex on a schedule and then sex dictated by doctors when going through infertility treatments does not lead to sexual fulfillment and once we finally conceived we never got back into a natural sex life. But this has been his choice, not mine.
We have talked about our issues and he knows I am unhappy with our SM. I think he is in denial or unwilling to truly listen to how badly this negatively effects me. I know he feels guilt. Last year we did go to couples therapy and made some progress on our emotional connection. There, it was also revealed that he had been sexually abused as a child. He will not tell me anything about the abuse as he says it is too painful for him. He did work on his own with a therapist in regards to this but after 9 months we moved for his job and have not picked up on therapy where we left off despite me requesting it multiple times.
At this point I have a lot of resentment and anger built up. I am questioning what I want - I know I want a fulfilling sex life but I don't even know if I want it with him anymore or not. It is hard to be open and willing and vulnerable with the person who has made you feel shitty about yourself for years. But at the same time, I am not ready to give up on our marriage. I still want to try to make things work and to see if we can make progress. I do not know yet what I am willing to live with and not live with.
And finally, I will add the cliche: He is a great father. He is a great provider. He is a good person with many redeeming qualities. But he has no interest in sex with me. Or intimacy for that matter. I suspect he is asexual. When I have asked him about it previously he said he's "not sure". I take that to mean "possibly/probably/yes, but I don't want to admit it to myself or to you".
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Post by eternaloptimism on Jun 17, 2017 17:10:32 GMT -5
Here's my intro, some of which you already know: I am 35, have been with H for 10 years, married for 5. We have a 2 year old. We have not had sex since the night of conception, so 3 years of forced celibacy now. Someone previously wondered if the Madonna-Whore complex was at play here since the complete lack of sex coincides with parenthood but the truth is we have never had a good sex life. Even in the early stages of dating I could feel something was 'off' - I never felt like he truly enjoyed it and could sense almost a sort of reluctance whenever we did anything sexual. And it was always initiated by me. Even then it was infrequent and I was disappointed but I convinced myself things would get better. I should have paid attention to the red flags because things have just gotten worse through the years. H also has very bad back problems. He has had 2 back surgeries and it has effected everything we do (and don't do). For years the excuse was that sex brought on such bad back pain that it would leave him out of commission for the next day+. And it was true - it did, even when I did all the "work". But his 2nd surgery finally worked to relieve the pain and he also lost about 40 pounds, also helping the pain. But the sex did not increase. Another large issue contributing to our sexual dysfunction was 3 years of infertility. Sex on a schedule and then sex dictated by doctors when going through infertility treatments does not lead to sexual fulfillment and once we finally conceived we never got back into a natural sex life. But this has been his choice, not mine. We have talked about our issues and he knows I am unhappy with our SM. I think he is in denial or unwilling to truly listen to how badly this negatively effects me. I know he feels guilt. Last year we did go to couples therapy and made some progress on our emotional connection. There, it was also revealed that he had been sexually abused as a child. He will not tell me anything about the abuse as he says it is too painful for him. He did work on his own with a therapist in regards to this but after 9 months we moved for his job and have not picked up on therapy where we left off despite me requesting it multiple times. At this point I have a lot of resentment and anger built up. I am questioning what I want - I know I want a fulfilling sex life but I don't even know if I want it with him anymore or not. It is hard to be open and willing and vulnerable with the person who has made you feel shitty about yourself for years. But at the same time, I am not ready to give up on our marriage. I still want to try to make things work and to see if we can make progress. I do not know yet what I am willing to live with and not live with. And finally, I will add the cliche: He is a great father. He is a great provider. He is a good person with many redeeming qualities. But he has no interest in sex with me. Or intimacy for that matter. I suspect he is asexual. When I have asked him about it previously he said he's "not sure". I take that to mean "possibly/probably/yes, but I don't want to admit it to myself or to you". I'm feeling you here chick. Right up until the bit about good father ... that's where our similarities end  xxx
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Post by nolongerlonely on Jun 20, 2017 1:16:48 GMT -5
Unfortunately choosinghappy I can say from my own experience that the resentment builds to a point where whilst one side of your psyche is constantly craving resolution to the SM, and restarting, the other half of you loses desire for the actual person who has delivered the problem - the partner. I think it was this 'revelation' that told me the whole thing was truly finished with, because if my partner woke up one day and wanted passionate sex, I would say no, because I just dont fancy her anymore. Its the ultimate irony.
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Post by Dan on Jun 20, 2017 10:04:02 GMT -5
Hi. I am new here. I am a 63 year old married man who has been in a sexless marriage for about 5 years. Before my wife through menopause we had an awesome sex life. But it has fell off a cliff since then. She told me recently that she doesn't care if she never has sex again. It's not me she says, it's her--desire is gone and physically sex hurts. Early on we tried everything but hormonal therapy which she won't because of a breast cancer scare a few years ago. I am am very sad and frustrated. Over the years I have had numerous opportunities to have affairs while traveling for work and never was interested because we had such a great marriage in so many ways, including sex. We still love each other and the life we have built together but as I think of the rest of my life without intimacy and sex I want to scream. I am at wits end. I have even seen a therapist to try and cope with this. Ugh!!! Sorry for such a late reply... I wonder if you need to bring up directly with her the possibility of you having sex outside the marriage. She has loved you for decades, and may still care enough about you to not want you to suffer for the newfound lack of marital sex. This would be a VERY delicate discussion. But if you are remained committed to not cheating (getting sex on the side w/o her knowledge), what have you got to lose by bringing this up? There is no one "right way" to have that discussion, nor one "right way" to engage in such activities if she is amenable. I see advantages to the "you get to have a single girlfriend on the side", I see advantages to "no one regular; just hire someone when you need to", and advantages to arrangements that are in between that. Both have their costs (in time, emotional investment, and money), but all are probably cheaper than divorce. No judgement on my part: whatever arrangement between the two of you works for you is good.
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Post by Dan on Jun 20, 2017 10:14:40 GMT -5
Sorry for the late reply... ... I am badly entangled financially and logistically. Even with no kids the situation is incredibly complicated. A divorce would be catastrophic to both our lives. Staying in a sexless marriage with the life and sex drive you seem to have will also be catastrophic... no? ... Nevertheless, I am at a crossroads. We are in the midst of moving to a much smaller place to simplify our lives. As soon as we get moved, he plans to go 1,000 miles away for the summer to take some classes and to just be in a climate he likes better. I will be alone for months, going to school but otherwise free and alone. Now is time for big decisions. What to do? You are moving to a smaller place... but are you moving to a smaller town? I hoping that you still have access to current friends, family, and close enough to a town with a strong number of Meetup activities that you can stay busy and keep your friend corral full. If he HAS moved you away from your friends, family, and away from a decent size city... then I fear for your sanity, and question if the move -- and his plan to be 1000 miles away -- was actually calculated to isolate you. Is this a possibility? The distance from him might be an inadvertent blessing: what does your life feel like without him? What kind of friends and relationship will you find yourself in once he is that far away? If you are 100% committed to remaining faithful to him, well, he has got a gem (in you) of inestimable value that he is totally ignoring (and I might even argue "he doesn't deserve"). If you are not so committed to that... how on EARTH do you think you are going to get through this time without seeking the joys of a rekindled sex life with someone else???
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Post by choosinghappy on Jun 20, 2017 11:34:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately choosinghappy I can say from my own experience that the resentment builds to a point where whilst one side of your psyche is constantly craving resolution to the SM, and restarting, the other half of you loses desire for the actual person who has delivered the problem - the partner. I think it was this 'revelation' that told me the whole thing was truly finished with, because if my partner woke up one day and wanted passionate sex, I would say no, because I just dont fancy her anymore. Its the ultimate irony. It really is the ultimate irony. And sadly I may be close to finding myself there. But as it stands if H magically decided he wanted passionate sex I would still be willing. I really don't think that will ever happen though. This *does* sound like a good barometer on which to judge your own feelings on whether staying in your SM is something you truly want or don't want. Thanks nolongerlonely
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Post by njsojourner on Jun 21, 2017 11:31:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Dan, for your thoughtful and helpful reply. I am inching towards that discussion. I admit I am scared but I do know this can't go on forever like this.
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Post by rev316 on Jun 21, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5
New here but an old story. We've become roommates. Looking for solutions and/or solace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 6:59:31 GMT -5
New here but an old story. We've become roommates. Looking for solutions and/or solace. When you're ready, you can tell your story in SM issues.
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Post by csl on Jun 22, 2017 9:22:56 GMT -5
New here but an old story. We've become roommates. Looking for solutions and/or solace. Neither hot nor cold?
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Post by bigbossfan on Jun 22, 2017 13:50:14 GMT -5
Hi to everyone. After lurking for many years on TAM, I was reading a post that referenced this forum, immediately did a search and here I am!!
I've spent the last day reading and reading and reading so many posts that I could swear you're all doppelgangers! So, I won't bore anyone with the details of my SM, other than to echo the sentiments of all on the shitty end of this stick; that it sucks big time.
I found folks at TAM are very judgemental and from 99% of what I've read here, most seem to be of the same mindset. That something needs to change. I look forward to getting to know you all a bit better and contributing to threads/posts.
For the record...........I'm at a point now in my SM that I'm pretty well ready to dissolve the marriage. Non-stop merry-go-round. 21 years married, been SM pretty well the entire time.
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Post by rev316 on Jun 22, 2017 13:59:02 GMT -5
New here but an old story. We've become roommates. Looking for solutions and/or solace. Neither hot nor cold? You got it, hence the reference to Revelations 3.16. Will be doing a lot of reading here. Any legendary success stories that stand out. Like to read them first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 16:52:13 GMT -5
Hi to everyone. After lurking for many years on TAM, I was reading a post that referenced this forum, immediately did a search and here I am!! I've spent the last day reading and reading and reading so many posts that I could swear you're all doppelgangers! So, I won't bore anyone with the details of my SM, other than to echo the sentiments of all on the shitty end of this stick; that it sucks big time. I found folks at TAM are very judgemental and from 99% of what I've read here, most seem to be of the same mindset. That something needs to change. I look forward to getting to know you all a bit better and contributing to threads/posts. For the record...........I'm at a point now in my SM that I'm pretty well ready to dissolve the marriage. Non-stop merry-go-round. 21 years married, been SM pretty well the entire time. Welcome! I hope you enjoy reading the threads and interacting with people who understand how you feel. When you get ready, you may want to post your story in SM issues. Just curious, what is TAM?
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Post by mrslowmaintenance on Jun 22, 2017 20:33:02 GMT -5
Hi to everyone. After lurking for many years on TAM, I was reading a post that referenced this forum, immediately did a search and here I am!! I've spent the last day reading and reading and reading so many posts that I could swear you're all doppelgangers! So, I won't bore anyone with the details of my SM, other than to echo the sentiments of all on the shitty end of this stick; that it sucks big time. I found folks at TAM are very judgemental and from 99% of what I've read here, most seem to be of the same mindset. That something needs to change. I look forward to getting to know you all a bit better and contributing to threads/posts. For the record...........I'm at a point now in my SM that I'm pretty well ready to dissolve the marriage. Non-stop merry-go-round. 21 years married, been SM pretty well the entire time. There has been some judgy stuff as of late, but (overall) the group is really supportive. Go back a month or two and read a bit! Or send some people a private message that have a similar story for that you may be able to get advice from. Good luck!
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Post by csl on Jun 22, 2017 20:40:08 GMT -5
You got it, hence the reference to Revelations 3.16. Will be doing a lot of reading here. Any legendary success stories that stand out. Like to read them first. Success stories of ILIASM? That depends on how you define "success." If you mean turning a SM around, the accepted wisdom of this board is "t'aint happening." The local statisticians and prognosticators put odds for such an occurrence at 1/10,000. If you define success as getting out of your marriage, several new threads are akin to party hats and noisemakers over reports of bettered lives after divorce.
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